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Aftermarket stocks? Bases ect...... compared to 700s Savage 110s? Is there really such a small market for M-70 accessories? I have owned 25 or so Remington 700s but just a few 70s Sure 70s cost more, but even Weatherbys have a better selection of parts and pieces. OR Are Winchesters just better overall and need no improvements?
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I've never noticed. Seems to be enough out there for model 70's. Although, they don't need new triggers, extractors, and the bolt handles tend to stay attached...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Bordon Rimrock stock Brown stock stock stock McMillian stock
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Seems to me that 700s and savages are popular with a lot of different crowds. Hunters, target shooters, tactical wannabes etc.
Winchesters are popular with some hunters...and they have changed a bunch of times with model changes and ownership changes etc.
Thats my guess
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Just my wild guess that the heavier and/or collector rifles are not hunted as much, therefore have no need for modern stocks.
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Simple, really. Model 70s don't need an entire cottage industry like 700s to make them work....
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Simple, really. Model 70s don't need an entire cottage industry like 700s to make them work.... +1 covers it in a nutshell.
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For the same reason you don't see aftermarket high-rise intakes for Yugos....... All the good accessories are only available for Ford and Chevy....... It's not because Fords and Chevys won't run without the "extras".......
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It’s always funny watching those that suffer from 700 derangement syndrome come crawling out on these threads.
Use both 70/700 and a lot harder than shooting groups and “comps” and they both work well.
Have had 1 bolt come apart on a rifle, it wasn’t a 700.
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.... It's not because Fords and Chevys Remingtons won't run without the "extras"....... That's the problem, they won't. Fail on fire safeties, bolt handles that might come off and flimsy, sheet metal extractors prone to failure.... Fixed it. Edited to add perhaps the worst malady of them all: a safety that won't lock the bolt....
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Seems to me that 700s and savages are popular with a lot of different crowds. Hunters, target shooters, tactical wannabes etc.
Winchesters are popular with some hunters...and they have changed a bunch of times with model changes and ownership changes etc.
Thats my guess That makes sense. Rem 700 actions and all of the designer clones are commonly used for everything from deer rifles to tactical rifles to benchrest rifles. When I think of Win M70’s the niche is probably controlled round feed big game hunting rifles and so less need to swap out or order custom stocks ect for what is a generally narrower set of uses.
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I've never noticed. Seems to be enough out there for model 70's. Although, they don't need new triggers, extractors, and the bolt handles tend to stay attached... Not to mention they don't tend to fire at random times.
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Here is an example of me evaluating a bolt action rifle design.
I have a Howa 270, Rem700 6mmBR, and lots of Mausers... comparing them...
The book to get is "Bolt Action Rifles" 4th edition by de Haas. Modern Firearms + Amazon webstore - Bolt Action Rifles
The 98 Mauser/ pre 64 M70 has: 1) flat bottomed receiver to take torque from rifling 2) controlled feed 3) claw typed extractor 4) safety on firing pin, often modified to be 2 or 3 position M70 type 5) multi stage gas filter on firing pin hole for safety 6) bolt handle is integrally forged as part of bolt body 7) safety lug below rear bridge 8) integral recoil lug 9) knife ejector in bolt lug slot 10 an inner C ring to put the tenon threads in compression
The rem 700 1) receiver made from round tubing 2) push feed 3) little wimpy extractor 4) safety on trigger 5) simple bolt 6) bolt handle tacked on with screw and solder 7) nothing for safety if bolt lugs fail. 8) recoil lug is a modified washer that is captured by the receiver and barrel 9) plunger ejector 10) No inner C ring, so the only thing holding the barrel to the receiver is the tenon threads in tension
Of the ~100 bolt action covered in the above book, they seem to all be on the spectrum somewhere between the simple Rem700 and the complex 1898 Mauser design.
The Howa 1500: 1) flat bottom receiver 2) push feed 3) short claw extractor is bigger than rem, but smaller than M98 4) three position bolt safety 5) simple bolt 6) Integral bolt handle 7) nothing 8) integral recoil lug 9) plunger ejector
I would give the Howa Mauser scale = ~50% Mauser I would give the Howa Rem700 scale = ~50% Rem700
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The rem 700 1) receiver made from round tubing
That has come up before, but if you check your own reference you'll find:
In a book by De Haas and Van Zwoll** a Remington engineer named Mike Keeney states that the Rem 700 receiver starts out as bar stock. Furthermore he states that seamless tubing in 4140 is expensive enough that it is actually cheaper for Remington to start with bar stock and do their own machining.
**Bolt Action Rifles, expanded 4th edition, page 420, ©2003
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I've never noticed. Seems to be enough out there for model 70's. Although, they don't need new triggers, extractors, and the bolt handles tend to stay attached... Not to mention they don't tend to fire at random times. Sorry I left that out. Another reason I dont buy the garbage anymore. Yes, I had a brand new one (back in 1996) do that and had to send it back to Remington. It was a beautiful BDL, but looks aren't everything.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I've never noticed. Seems to be enough out there for model 70's. Although, they don't need new triggers, extractors, and the bolt handles tend to stay attached... Not to mention they don't tend to fire at random times. I kinda like that part myself.
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Remington engineer named Mike Keeney states that the Rem 700 receiver starts out as bar stock. Furthermore he states that seamless tubing in 4140 is expensive enough that it is actually cheaper for Remington to start with bar stock and do their own machining.
I am so disgusted. Rem 700s are so cheap, they could not even afford a hole.
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Simple, really. Model 70s don't need an entire cottage industry like 700s to make them work.... Truer words were never spoken.
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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I've never noticed. Seems to be enough out there for model 70's. Although, they don't need new triggers, extractors, and the bolt handles tend to stay attached... Not to mention they don't tend to fire at random times. I kinda like that part myself. When I hunt the Adirondacks I hunt mostly solo. When I do hunt in a group I do not allow anyone packing a 700 to walk behind me while on a trail.
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