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It still looks like a surreal landscape through a lot of the park to this day because of that fire. I was just out there again for a couple of days last week. Climbed Fremont Peak again one day during a long trek. And trekked out to Point Alta Vista again on the second day during a long go of it. I really like it out there.


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Crazy that they needed the business, and the business they got was so overwhelming that they couldn’t handle it all...so they were dropped like a hot rock. Then they went out of business.
I think the tunnel you referred to is now used solely as a water diversion tunnel. It’s way up there at about 11,000 feet.


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My all time favorite class in high school was Colorado history. Problem is, there is so much there that it would take several years to encompass it all, especially the mining periods. Thanks for the pictures.

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I have driven through the tunnels when they were open years ago.

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Wow, that's pretty amazing. I love the history of the West, it's so cool.

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Originally Posted by deltakid
My all time favorite class in high school was Colorado history. Problem is, there is so much there that it would take several years to encompass it all, especially the mining periods. Thanks for the pictures.



Your school was way cooler than my school, obviously.


Great pics, Antlers!


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Cool pics! I don't know that area of the state.

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As interesting as the hardrock mining history is in Colorado...and all that it entails...the coal mining history in southern Colorado is fascinating as well.


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I can almost hear the rattlesnakes in those tunnels.


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Nice pics!

I've only been in that area 3 times before (2 with the Scouts, once on vacation).

Would love to take a day hike or two and explore those tunnels...as well as climb and camp Pike's Peak!

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I am surprised to see this thread!! Way back in the 1970’s my wife and I lived in the Colorado City / Manitou Springs area. We got curious about those railroad tunnels on the south side of Ute Pass and walked through some near Manitou (Crystal Park??). Deep in one curving tunnel almost pitch black we came up to something white. And it moved!!! We freaked out until we realized it was a horse! Someone was using it as a stable! We went on to the probably the midpoint of that segment and found it was completely blocked by chain link, from top to bottom.

Later found out land access to one of those tunnel segments was owned by someone I worked with.

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Originally Posted by Ben_Lurkin
I can almost hear the rattlesnakes in those tunnels.



Aaaaand swipe that off the bucket list! lol


It's OK though because with my luck, I would probably get 10 feet into the tunnel and the whole thing would come crashing down.


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Believe it or not, ND even has a railroad tunnel.

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Originally Posted by antlers
The railway that went up Gold Camp Road was narrow gauge, it was nicknamed ‘the short line.’ The railway that went up Phantom Canyon from Florence was narrow gauge too. But this one, the Colorado Midland...and the Midland Terminal...was standard gauge. Much of present Hwy. 67 between Divide and Cripple Creek runs along the old Midland Terminal spur between Divide and the mining district. There is a former wood-shored Midland Terminal tunnel that was once used as a one-lane highway tunnel on CO 67 until the 1990’s when part of it collapsed. It was bypassed with a new cut and the old tunnel is still there. You can look inside of it and still see the shoring on the inside. Access has been closed with a grille though. It’s at the trailhead for Pancake Rocks on CO 67.


The line that ran over the Gold Camp was also Standard gauge. CS&CCD (Colorado Springs &Cripple Creek District) The short line and the Midland would loan engines to each other in times of need. Check out the Colorado Rail Annual book about the CS&CCD at a library, but with out looking through my RR books I cannot recall the issue number.

When the CS&CCD went bust the rails were pulled up and trestles had floors installed and it became the Corley Mountain Highway for auto traffic.

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Originally Posted by Dustylongshot
The line that ran over the Gold Camp was also Standard gauge.
You are correct, and I was wrong about it. My bad. Thanks for pointing it out.
I still drive the entire length of it occasionally, but I have to take Old Stage Road until it intersects with Gold Camp Road at the collapsed tunnel, and then Gold Camp goes on into the mining district. The Cathedral Park area is especially pretty. I’ve hiked between the collapsed tunnel at Silver Cascade Falls and the collapsed tunnel before St. Peter’s Dome many times.


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Originally Posted by antlers
Before our last snowstorm I found some old railroad tunnels up above Manitou Springs in the mountains through which the Colorado Midland used to run through Ute Pass. I had an idea where they were, I just had to find a way to get up in there. These tunnels were blasted out in the 1880’s. The Colorado Midland was the first standard gauge railroad built over the continental divide in the state. Later on when gold was discovered in Cripple Creek and Victor, they built the Midland Terminal Railway which was a standard gauge spur from Divide that ran on into the mining district at Cripple Creek and Victor. The old shop for the Colorado Midland is still standing on Hwy. 24 at 21st Street in Colorado Springs. It’s now the Ghost Town Museum. And the old roundhouse building that housed engines, and where they’d turn them around so they could head back up through Ute Pass again, is still standing at Hwy. 24 at 21st Street a little southeast of the old shop. The ore processing mill was at Old Colorado City and the smokestack from that old mill is still standing by a housing development called Gold Hill Mesa, which is built on top of about 14 million tons of processed ore from the gold mines up in the above mentioned mining district. These trains used to run from the mill, up through these tunnels in Ute Pass, to the mines, and haul the ore from the mines back down to the mill at Old Colorado City for processing. Lotta history, and a helluva bunch of hard work involved.[Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com][Linked Image from ][Linked Image from ]



Back in the 80's (I think) reading that the processed ore tailings at Gold Hill Mesa still contained a billion dollars of gold that was not captured by old-time ore processing. ... At today's gold price there's probably 5 billion dollars worth of gold there now. I wonder who owns the mineral rights and if they will evict all the current surface rights homeowners, scrap off their houses, and re-process the tailings!!!!

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That's cool Ant, I was going to ask you what you thought happened to the tracks. Have you been in the old mines yet?
When they abandoned the railroads, they took up the tracks. This country is honeycombed with old mines. Literally thousands of miles of shafts, slopes, tunnels, cross cuts, drifts, stopes, and chutes. I have been in many; many are flat-out dangerous; many...due to erosion, collapse, and the passage of time...have an opening that is only a foot or so across, and from top to bottom. In a few more years they’ll be gone. Some of those big mines up in the mining district at Cripple Creek and Victor had enclosed headframes so they could continue working 24/7/365 in inclement weather at 10,000 feet elevation.


rail was expensive, labor was cheap, pull the rails leave the ties, esp when mines played out and new ones opened in next valley/canyon.
same with logging railroads in AZ.


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Yep. The processing at that time was reportedly 97% effective. And they’ve said that contained within those 14 million tons of wasterock there’s still 3% gold. At today’s prices, that equates to a bunch of moolah.


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Originally Posted by slumlord
Looks like a good place to dump a body


Only if there are rats. Coyotes might do....


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