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Re: How tough are aoudad? JGRaider #15924520 03/21/21
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,067 Likes: 3 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana
smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,067 Likes: 3 Colorado	Originally Posted by JGRaider If you can't haul all that meat home in the back of that PT cruiser let me know........ Haha, good one.... A wise man is frequently humbled.

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Re: How tough are aoudad? JGRaider #15924526 03/21/21
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle
ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky	Originally Posted by JGRaider I'm probably a little less concerned about it than your guide is . If you can't haul all that meat home in the back of that PT cruiser let me know........I'll lighten your load a little pardner! Sounds like fun. Well, if I have to struggle under the load, I'll call you first Meanwhile I figured Ive killed a few elk, and a truckload of elk sized African game with the 7x57 ( aka .275) so I have no hesitation using it with a good bullet on Nilgai. "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: How tough are aoudad? RickyBobby #15924614 03/21/21
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,648 Coues Country G GregW Campfire Ranger
GregW Campfire Ranger G Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,648 Coues Country	I just got done aoudad hunting with two pards. We took three rams, all over 30". 6.5 Creed Eldx ram took two through the boiler and died in 40 yards. Dead in 10 seconds. Second was to keep from cliff diving. 220 yards. My ram, .280 Ackley with 168 VLD right behind the shoulder. Ram took two bounds and rolled. Dead quick. 270 yards. Ram bleeding from mouth after first bound. Chris's ram soaked up 3 rounds of 195 EOL from a 28 Nosler from 10 to 250 yards. Two were perfect lung shots. Ram went 600 yards and needed a 4th follow-up. The blood trail for 600 yards I could follow no issue with 8 power bins across the canyon. Never seen anything like it. Couple of interesting things I noticed. All bullets exited. Every one. The rams did not bleed out of the wound but through the mouth. All of them. They are about the funnest thing I've hunted. Watching them bed inside caves and interacting was great. They stink. - Greg Success is found at the intersection of planning, hard work, and stubbornness.

Re: How tough are aoudad? RickyBobby #15924637 03/21/21
Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 2,621 Vermont PintsofCraft Campfire Regular
PintsofCraft Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 2,621 Vermont	If you asked this question on ANY other forum...

Re: How tough are aoudad? buffybr #15924643 03/21/21
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,183 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman Campfire Ranger
Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,183 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Originally Posted by buffybr I've only shot one aoudad. That was on my first hunt with my .300 Weatherby. My guide kept telling me how hard aoudads were to kill, and told me to anchor him by shooting him through his hips. I put a 168 grain Barnes TSX bullet through his shoulders and he simply dropped dead where he was standing. My guide then said "You don't listen to your guide, do you?" I just smiled and answered "No." Just unbelievable.... probably why “guides” aren’t really “guides” most of the the time, but rather a “body”... grin Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

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Re: How tough are aoudad? GregW #15924652 03/21/21
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,183 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman Campfire Ranger
Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,183 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Originally Posted by GregW I just got done aoudad hunting with two pards. We took three rams, all over 30". 6.5 Creed Eldx ram took two through the boiler and died in 40 yards. Dead in 10 seconds. Second was to keep from cliff diving. 220 yards. My ram, .280 Ackley with 168 VLD right behind the shoulder. Ram took two bounds and rolled. Dead quick. 270 yards. Ram bleeding from mouth after first bound. Chris's ram soaked up 3 rounds of 195 EOL from a 28 Nosler from 10 to 250 yards. Two were perfect lung shots. Ram went 600 yards and needed a 4th follow-up. The blood trail for 600 yards I could follow no issue with 8 power bins across the canyon. Never seen anything like it. Couple of interesting things I noticed. All bullets exited. Every one. The rams did not bleed out of the wound but through the mouth. All of them. They are about the funnest thing I've hunted. Watching them bed inside caves and interacting was great. They stink. Pretty amazing pics Greg, can’t believe the Berger’s worked!! Grin Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

Re: How tough are aoudad? RickyBobby #15924654 03/21/21
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,578 Kaufman County Tx BOBBALEE Campfire Regular
BOBBALEE Campfire Regular Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,578 Kaufman County Tx	Only animal I've ever gutted that made me gag. NRA-Benefactor TSRA-Life "It's a terrible thing when governments send their young men to kill each other." Charles Byrne,WW2 Vet. On the day Desert Storm began.

Re: How tough are aoudad? Judman #15924683 03/21/21
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,648 Coues Country G GregW Campfire Ranger
GregW Campfire Ranger G Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,648 Coues Country	Originally Posted by Judman Originally Posted by GregW I just got done aoudad hunting with two pards. We took three rams, all over 30". 6.5 Creed Eldx ram took two through the boiler and died in 40 yards. Dead in 10 seconds. Second was to keep from cliff diving. 220 yards. My ram, .280 Ackley with 168 VLD right behind the shoulder. Ram took two bounds and rolled. Dead quick. 270 yards. Ram bleeding from mouth after first bound. Chris's ram soaked up 3 rounds of 195 EOL from a 28 Nosler from 10 to 250 yards. Two were perfect lung shots. Ram went 600 yards and needed a 4th follow-up. The blood trail for 600 yards I could follow no issue with 8 power bins across the canyon. Never seen anything like it. Couple of interesting things I noticed. All bullets exited. Every one. The rams did not bleed out of the wound but through the mouth. All of them. They are about the funnest thing I've hunted. Watching them bed inside caves and interacting was great. They stink. Pretty amazing pics Greg, can’t believe the Berger’s worked!! Grin They work on elk too. And even exit.... Recovered bullet near back ham as he was on his knees. I sped his dying up. - Greg Success is found at the intersection of planning, hard work, and stubbornness.

Re: How tough are aoudad? RickyBobby #15924710 03/21/21
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,183 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman Campfire Ranger
Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,183 N.. Newaukum, Washington	I think I’ve seen that euro mount in person?? 😂😂 Ya Berger’s somehow work, that’s for sure. 👍 Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

Re: How tough are aoudad? RickyBobby #15924714 03/21/21
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 4,213 Likes: 1 Retired CPO USN. Amarillo TX MAC Campfire Tracker
MAC Campfire Tracker Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 4,213 Likes: 1 Retired CPO USN. Amarillo TX	I have only shot one and it fell to a 7mm Mag. He dropped to the shot. You get out of life what you are willing to accept. If you ain't happy, do something about it!

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Re: How tough are aoudad? RickyBobby #15924760 03/21/21
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 28,251 Likes: 6 W. Texas J JGRaider Campfire Ranger
JGRaider Campfire Ranger J Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 28,251 Likes: 6 W. Texas	Great rams in some great country Greg. Love the pics. Yes, they are an absolute blast to hunt....a spot and stalk hunter's dream, and a badasss creature for sure. The wetback's ranch dogs wouldn't even eat some of them we shot. It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.

Re: How tough are aoudad? RickyBobby #15924851 03/21/21
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,236 Likes: 11 T_Inman Campfire Ranger
T_Inman Campfire Ranger Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,236 Likes: 11	I have yet to see one up close so my opinion is about worthless but based on their track size and my observations of them I really wouldn't have an issue hunting them with a .223 Rem, or anything else for that matter. That isn't a cartridge recommendation, just an observation of their size. OP, if you're going guided then this shouldn't be an issue but if you're planning a DIY hunt, do some research in judging the darn things. I could have shot several in NM last Feb but just never found one that I really confidently thought was a ram, despite looking through a lot of manuals and watching a lot of videos. Last edited by T_Inman; 03/21/21. Reason: Edited, for clarification

Re: How tough are aoudad? RickyBobby #15924969 03/21/21
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 28,251 Likes: 6 W. Texas J JGRaider Campfire Ranger
JGRaider Campfire Ranger J Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 28,251 Likes: 6 W. Texas	Unless you're hunting feeders, I'd leave the .223 at home, no offense. It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.

Re: How tough are aoudad? RickyBobby #15925019 03/21/21
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,236 Likes: 11 T_Inman Campfire Ranger
T_Inman Campfire Ranger Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,236 Likes: 11	None taken, at ALL, especially since I have such little experience with them. I am not totally recommending it, just saying I wouldn't have an issue with using it, and I have that much confidence in the round. Aoudad just are not big critters. The ewes looked not much bigger than antelope to me. Whatever works for deer, should work for them.

Re: How tough are aoudad? RickyBobby #15925108 03/21/21
Joined: May 2012 Posts: 2,934 R RickyBobby OP Campfire Regular
OP RickyBobby Campfire Regular R Joined: May 2012 Posts: 2,934	Most likely I’ll be taking my 30-06 but I could possibly get the itch to grab my Creedmoor ... that’s mainly why I was asking. ================================================== I'm a proud member of the BGE cult ... yes, I consider myself an EGGHEAD

Re: How tough are aoudad? RickyBobby #15925118 03/21/21
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OP RickyBobby Campfire Regular R Joined: May 2012 Posts: 2,934	With a good bullet and well placed shot I’m sure either would suffice. Just wanted to hear from folks with experience hunting them and their thoughts. ================================================== I'm a proud member of the BGE cult ... yes, I consider myself an EGGHEAD

Re: How tough are aoudad? RickyBobby #15925153 03/21/21
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,236 Likes: 11 T_Inman Campfire Ranger
T_Inman Campfire Ranger Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,236 Likes: 11	If that's the case (and again, bear in mind my very limited experience with aoudad) I'd think more about the 250+ yard confidence you have in the rifles more than anything else. Keep in mind the wind possible in aoudad country too.

Re: How tough are aoudad? T_Inman #15925164 03/21/21
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 28,251 Likes: 6 W. Texas J JGRaider Campfire Ranger
JGRaider Campfire Ranger J Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 28,251 Likes: 6 W. Texas	Originally Posted by T_Inman None taken, at ALL, especially since I have such little experience with them. I am not totally recommending it, just saying I wouldn't have an issue with using it, and I have that much confidence in the round. Aoudad just are not big critters. The ewes looked not much bigger than antelope to me. Whatever works for deer, should work for them. You already answered your own question to my post. Wind and distance in West TX aoudad country is the reason I choose otherwise. No doubt you can kill them with a good .223 bullet in close. Big rams will weigh near 300 lbs or so, mature ewes about 150-175 IME. It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.

Re: How tough are aoudad? RickyBobby #15925215 03/21/21
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,236 Likes: 11 T_Inman Campfire Ranger
T_Inman Campfire Ranger Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,236 Likes: 11	My own question? I didn't ask one. 300 lbs is about what I figured big rams weigh. About like mule deer. They're fun critters to chase, no doubt. I can't wait to draw in NM again but if it takes as long for the second tag as it did the first, I may as well do a west Texas hunt instead. It'd probably cheaper all things considered.

Re: How tough are aoudad? T_Inman #15925226 03/21/21
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 28,251 Likes: 6 W. Texas J JGRaider Campfire Ranger
JGRaider Campfire Ranger J Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 28,251 Likes: 6 W. Texas	Originally Posted by T_Inman If that's the case (and again, bear in mind my very limited experience with aoudad) I'd think more about the 250+ yard confidence you have in the rifles more than anything else. Keep in mind the wind possible in aoudad country too. This is what I was referring to as a "question". Sorry for the confusion. It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.

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