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Originally Posted by yukon254
I watched a news broadcast the other day on a small local station out of Seattle. They had a couple of doctors on and were asking them questions about covid. Both doctors talked about how effective ivermectin is, and how vitamin D could have prevented up to 90% of covid deaths. Their concern was that the government doctors in both the US and Canada are not educating the public about vitamin D, or using ivermectin as a preventative therapy.

I knew about ivermectin. Its gone through clinical trials now. Science has proven it works. Thats not even debatable now. It actually offers better protection than the vaccine, and is effective even when someone has a severe case of covid. Then I hear about vitamin D, and it could prevent up to 90% of all covid deaths. Think about that number for a second. Is it true?? Well from the little bit of research I have done, it seems some very good doctors believe it is. So the question I have is how come Fauci, Tam, and regional health officials across the country are not on every news station telling the public about it?? Why are they refusing to use ivermectin on a large scale ?? Other countries have and are with great results. Somethings not right with the whole mess and it stinks to high heaven. Anyone who blindly trusts these people is not paying attention.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/vita...could-counter-coronavirus-effects-report


I have yet to see any references about using ivermectin to prevent COVID, only as a treatment. I did see a lot about possible side-effects and drug interactions, plus warnings about differences between versions for humans and animals. The dosage that affected the virus in lab tests was massive.

Do you have a source that recommends that use?

As for Vitamin D, and possibly others, the fact that those with deficiencies are at greater risk of death doesn’t mean that massive dosages over time is any magic bullet. Once normal levels are achieved, continuing to take large amounts is questionable. How long were we bombarded with propaganda on Vitamin C and E, then suddenly they backed off on it? Eat well and exercise, don’t smoke, don’t drink too much, and your chances of staying alive longer go up in general, but you can’t swallow good health from a pill bottle.


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A healthy coworker of my nephew in his 60's got the shot and he is currently in ICU because of it. That's why I'm waiting until next year to decide if I want someone poking me. H1N1, SARS, Covid. Thanks China. And a big thank you to Dr. Tam.


Do you know which one? They ask you a lot of questions before they stick you to avoid known risk factors. My risk was low, and while I was a little sick for about a day after the second one, it was no big deal, just a good excuse to ride the couch. Better than a good honkin’ case of the Plague for sure. Acceptable risk for a likely, but not certain, benefit.


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I was a little sick for about a day after the second one, it was no big deal, just a good excuse to ride the couch...

Haha, people I know have said the same about their experience having COVID.

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Seems to be a wide range of experiences, for certain, including the walking “sick” that don’t even know they have it. More reason to stay away from strangers, not that I need any😛.


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More on the Canucks. I seems a player went out for dinner, which was still allowed in BC with capacity restrictions and plexiglass screens and caught the variant version. With our slow sequencing tests, they don't know if it is the P-1. It is highly likely. It is the assumption everybody is making, including the team doctor .It spread through the whole team to the point where it's easier to name the couple of player who don't have it. There is no way the team can play any more games this year , throwing the whole schedule into shambles.


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Originally Posted by Pappy348
Seems to be a wide range of experiences, for certain, including the walking “sick” that don’t even know they have it. More reason to stay away from strangers, not that I need any😛.


I think a lot of the negative reaction to the shots is fear of being vaccinated. Jabbing a needle into your arm.

I don't know how many people here remember the days before single use needles, but there were some painful moments. I had a couple of relatives who were insulin dependent diabetics. Their kitchens looked medieval. Large diameter, reusable needles, a toolkit to sharpen the needles. Strange looking trays and a thing that reminded me of the barber shop.

My uncle kept syringes in a similar container full of alcohol (not the blue barber shop disinfectant). laugh

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I had my first shot about a month ago. No pain, swelling or bad reaction. It was the AstraZeneca vaccine. The one that the scare mongers tout as a killer vaccine. laugh The last I read, there were 18 million doses of it injected into UK citizens and the news said about 30 people, mostly, or all women under 40, got blood clots. Is that acceptable? Perhaps not if you were one of the 30, but the risk is negligible.

This was a release from the company that makes AstraZeneca. They cannot lie about the numbers because the clots were reported from hospitals and vetted through national and regional medical offices. I am posting this for the Canadians who have either received AZ or might be getting it. In Canada, persons 55 and older are approved for it.

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Originally Posted by yukon254
I watched a news broadcast the other day on a small local station out of Seattle. They had a couple of doctors on and were asking them questions about covid. Both doctors talked about how effective ivermectin is, and how vitamin D could have prevented up to 90% of covid deaths. Their concern was that the government doctors in both the US and Canada are not educating the public about vitamin D, or using ivermectin as a preventative therapy.

I knew about ivermectin. Its gone through clinical trials now. Science has proven it works. Thats not even debatable now. It actually offers better protection than the vaccine, and is effective even when someone has a severe case of covid. Then I hear about vitamin D, and it could prevent up to 90% of all covid deaths. Think about that number for a second. Is it true?? Well from the little bit of research I have done, it seems some very good doctors believe it is. So the question I have is how come Fauci, Tam, and regional health officials across the country are not on every news station telling the public about it?? Why are they refusing to use ivermectin on a large scale ?? Other countries have and are with great results. Somethings not right with the whole mess and it stinks to high heaven. Anyone who blindly trusts these people is not paying attention.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/vita...could-counter-coronavirus-effects-report


I have yet to see any references about using ivermectin to prevent COVID, only as a treatment. I did see a lot about possible side-effects and drug interactions, plus warnings about differences between versions for humans and animals. The dosage that affected the virus in lab tests was massive.

Do you have a source that recommends that use?

As for Vitamin D, and possibly others, the fact that those with deficiencies are at greater risk of death doesn’t mean that massive dosages over time is any magic bullet. Once normal levels are achieved, continuing to take large amounts is questionable. How long were we bombarded with propaganda on Vitamin C and E, then suddenly they backed off on it? Eat well and exercise, don’t smoke, don’t drink too much, and your chances of staying alive longer go up in general, but you can’t swallow good health from a pill bottle.


Im not surprised you havent seen references about ivermectin being used to prevent covid. The MSM has been censoring any information on it. Dr Kory testified before the senate about its use. Look around and you can find the video somewhere although Youtube axed it. Dr Kory, isnt a quack. He's a board certified specialist. He has the data to back up his statements, and gave the senate that data. Here's a place to start.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-pierre-kory-youtube-ivermectin-covid-treatment

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Here's the video. Only two conclusions can be drawn from this video.....either this doctor and his colleagues are quacks, or he is right. If he's right, then why is the media and the government censoring this info??? Real questions.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4930...ate-hearing-ivermectin-100-cure-covid-19

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And here we are, 5 months later, and no further along as far as I know.

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Thanks. That’s good stuff.


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Originally Posted by Steve Redgwell
I did not say that. I said,

Originally Posted by Steve Redgwell
...I do not consider much of what I read on this site to be of value. The reason is that no one is qualified to speak definitively about the matter.

In short, most love to proselytize, but no one is credentialled.


I read and make a judgment.


Based holey on what exactly ?

Other than your self importance, of course.

You'd do well, to take your initial advise !

Rid yourself of your hateful arrogance & narcissism, it'll make you feel better & probably help your interactions with people, be more positive !

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I hope people come to their senses and start taking the pandemic seriously. I don't want have to go through another year of this. I find it draining, fatiguing and generally demoralizing.

Do the right thing - Wear the damn mask, vaccinate and social distance - It's not a big ask.

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So, what would it hurt for my wife, and I to come to Ontario, fish, and follow all the guidelines you Ontario folks are?


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There is nothing wrong or unreasonable Richard about what you ask. However the Canadian Government is a monolith that has a procedure it must go thru—it took almost a year to put in a few rules on air travel and will take as long to allow non-resident land owners to visit their property.

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Originally Posted by wabigoon
So, what would it hurt for my wife, and I to come to Ontario, fish, and follow all the guidelines you Ontario folks are?


I am watching a CBC report about opening the border. The short of it is, not soon.

The exact words from Dominic LeBlanc, Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, were late spring, early summer for domestic (within Canada) travel. No approximate time frame for Canada/US travel. 😐


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Originally Posted by PSE
I hope people come to their senses and start taking the pandemic seriously. I don't want have to go through another year of this. I find it draining, fatiguing and generally demoralizing.

Do the right thing - Wear the damn mask, vaccinate and social distance - It's not a big ask.



I dont think any of us want to go through this for another year. How is masks and vaccinations going to change anything? Even after you get vaccinated you still have to wear a mask, social distance, and not travel. And it is a big ask to tell people to get an unproven vaccine when nothing is going to change anyway. Dont even go down the road that this vaccine is proven because it isnt. Up to 50% of health care professionals are refusing it. That should tell you something. Maybe it will be the best vaccine ever, but we dont know that yet. Animal trials were skipped completely.

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Originally Posted by Steve Redgwell
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So, what would it hurt for my wife, and I to come to Ontario, fish, and follow all the guidelines you Ontario folks are?


I am watching a CBC report about opening the border. The short of it is, not soon.

The exact words from Dominic LeBlanc, Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, were late spring, early summer for domestic (within Canada) travel. No approximate time frame for Canada/US travel. 😐


CBC must have missed the memo. Higgens is saying they are working on it now and expects some travel between canada / us allowed by July.

Within Canada travel is allowed now. A friend just got back from Ont. yesterday.

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Originally Posted by PSE
I hope people come to their senses and start taking the pandemic seriously. I don't want have to go through another year of this. I find it draining, fatiguing and generally demoralizing.

Do the right thing - Wear the damn mask, vaccinate and social distance - It's not a big ask.


People just need to OBEY!,...and everything gonna be okay.

OBEY!,....okay?

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Originally Posted by yukon254
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So, what would it hurt for my wife, and I to come to Ontario, fish, and follow all the guidelines you Ontario folks are?


I am watching a CBC report about opening the border. The short of it is, not soon.

The exact words from Dominic LeBlanc, Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, were late spring, early summer for domestic (within Canada) travel. No approximate time frame for Canada/US travel. 😐


CBC must have missed the memo. Higgens is saying they are working on it now and expects some travel between canada / us allowed by July.

Within Canada travel is allowed now. A friend just got back from Ont.


WRT international travel, they are working on it, but no guarantees. July is three months away. WRT domestic travel, there are restrictions. This is what they were talking about.

Whether you drive or fly, if you travel within Canada, without having been out of the country, there are no federal travel requirements, but there may be provincial or territorial rules and restrictions.

Check the provincial or territorial requirements
Go to the province or territory website of your final destination for restrictions and quarantine requirements.


https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/provinces


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