Home Forums Hunting & Shooting AR and Tactical Rifles H4895, Talk me into it....

I'd buy H4895 over Varget as well..

I use a lot of H-4895, I wish I had it!

grabbed the Varget, and so far not to impressed, Seems the gossip on the 'net is somewhat true,

using my RCBS uni-throw, I'm getting a variance of almost 2 grains,

22.5g all the way up to 24.7g........

Not cool.........

even if the accuracy is there, Not feeling the love so far.

A Lee Perfect will do a little better. It is good enough that, if you throw away the powder bridges and redump them, you get ammo that's good enough to hold less than 1 MOA elevation at 600 yards.

I don't ever weigh charges anymore because dumped charges are good enough to shoot a 20-shot clean with at least 15 Xs on an MR target.

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Uniflows are pretty schitty powder feeders, IMO.

I use a Redding 3BR & easily get +/- about a quarter grain variance with Varget.

Ditching my Uniflow many years ago was one of the best reloading moves I ever made, especially for smaller rifle rounds & pistol rounds.

Technique with those powders also becomes more important to get good consistency as well.

As I said earlier in a post, neither Varget or RL-15 feed like many of the other powders discussed, no matter what feeder you use. Many of the others flow like shot & have virtually no variation.

MM

Yes you did mention that, It caught my attention,

And the uni-flow might be schitty according to some, But I've never seen this variance with any of the other powders I use.....

Benchmark for the win.

H4895 is one of my favorites for the .223/5.56.
The Zediker load of 24.5 grains with the 69 gr. SMK moves right at 2,800 fps and shoots nice small groups in my 18" 8 twist barrel.
With the 77 SMK I shoot 24.0 grains.
I weigh my charges with the larger stick powders in the .223.
H4895 out shot Benchmark for accuracy in my testing.

How would you rate the metering abilities of H4895 to Varget? Through a RCBS uni-flow.......

Nothing wrong with Benchmark, but it's better with lighter bullets than the heavy's.

Varget is good too just takes some work. It is accurate with all bullets.

Here's a video on Varget from a long series of powder trials designed to attempt to duplicate Mk 262 ammo.

If you search through the entire series, you'll find confirmation of a lot of the various comments in this thread.

Just for schitts & giggles, I've also attached one on H4895 & RL-15.

Note his comment carefully when he says that he will not reach the velocity goal at acceptable pressure with H4895 because he's already reached that velocity but only with loads that have too much pressure to be acceptable, & as compared to other powders.

Enjoy.

MM

Varget

H4895 & RL-15

I can't speak for NVhntr, but H4985 will meter better in anything than does Varget.

MM

I don't have a Uni-Flow so I can't comment on that.
I have a Lee Perfect and a Harrell's Precision and I wasn't happy with the results of either one with frequent powder bridging.
I'll just struggle on with my RCBS 1500 ChargeMaster, I'm retired, I don't get in a hurry anymore.
The granules of H4895 are slightly smaller than Varget but I didn't see much difference in the results of metering.

Varget has some uses, but I've always found H4895 more versatile in the .223 and .308. H4895 is also very good in reduced cast bullet rifle loads.

I have one lb of H4895 and plan on loading some 62 grain FMJ's. It is about the slowest powder I will use for .223. IMR 4895 burns too slow. I prefer 8208 or AA2460 but beggars cant be choosy.
kwg

Back in the bad old days I used 50gr sierras and a near max load of h4895 . I'd drop a charge and trickle up to weight they were out and out tight shooting in my m700 vs
Compared to using 748 , h335, tac, cfe 223 and others it was like trying to run Lincoln logs thru a Uniflow. Just to many better flowing powders for mass loading than to bog your self down with it dropped thru a Uniflow. In a electronic scale measure like a Chargemaster it would be ok. Just my experience. Mb

I like my Redding BR-30 better, but I also have a Uniflow and can't imagine what I'd have to do to make it give a spread as bad as two grains.

I adjusted my technique tonight has I went, Seems to be a bit of a learning curve with stick powders,

Varget is still no Benchmark, but I'm now within a half grain or so, each throw, sometimes even better,

If you feel yourself cutting a grain/s, be suspect of that charge,

Otherwise couple of turns on the trickler and good to go.....

Sunday will tell if the extra effort is worth it..

Yep, I've said that many times. One of the reasons I said I would have bought the H4895 over Varget. Much better powders out there these days than Varget anyway.. At least a lot of them will meter through your powder measure better and produce better accuracy and velocity. Oh, I can see some guys getting their panties in a wad over that statement.

Switch from Varget to Shooters World Precision

Here’s why

Had not been to a local match in years. Forgot we went to visit a month or so ago. Buddy blew a primer out with 4895...I asked him... man you know better... why... he laughed, said I was tempted to try it again...