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Originally Posted by NVhntr
H4895 is one of my favorites for the .223/5.56.
The Zediker load of 24.5 grains with the 69 gr. SMK moves right at 2,800 fps and shoots nice small groups in my 18" 8 twist barrel.
With the 77 SMK I shoot 24.0 grains.
I weigh my charges with the larger stick powders in the .223.
H4895 out shot Benchmark for accuracy in my testing.

20 inch tube 69 can be moved at 2950...that was what none of us liked, it was accurate, but it was never fast.


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BTW for stick powders John Barsness suggestion of the cheap lee perfect powder measure still amazes me. Tosses 4350 and the like better than our expensive harrels.... by far. Better than uniflow. Better than BR30. Just a FWIW


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Originally Posted by rost495
BTW for stick powders John Barsness suggestion of the cheap lee perfect powder measure still amazes me. Tosses 4350 and the like better than our expensive harrels.... by far. Better than uniflow. Better than BR30. Just a FWIW


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Originally Posted by rost495
BTW for stick powders John Barsness suggestion of the cheap lee perfect powder measure still amazes me. Tosses 4350 and the like better than our expensive harrels.... by far. Better than uniflow. Better than BR30. Just a FWIW


Thats a good suggestion. However, I was looking at one at a gunshow, recently, and can't get over how "cheap" the bastid looks.. Mostly plastic..


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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Anyone ever switch their RCBS powder cylinder from large to small?

Call RCBS for a price? Midway shows discountinued,

The large came with the unit, wondering if the small gives better results.

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Used both same same.


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Originally Posted by Kenneth
Anyone ever switch their RCBS powder cylinder from large to small?

Call RCBS for a price? Midway shows discountinued,

The large came with the unit, wondering if the small gives better results.

Good luck buddy. One of the reasons I use powder more suited for the little 223 case. I have no issues with the RCBS Uni flow. Drop for 223, load 300/hour. Drop and weigh and trickle charges for larger cartridges. Anyone who weighs and trickles charges in small amounts, such as in the 223, need their heads examined. As a side note, mine drops H4895 well enough for plinking (slightly bigger than moa for 10 shots) loads for my 6x45, but in larger cases I will weigh it for more precise loads. I've noticed a huge difference in the 22-250.


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Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted by rost495
BTW for stick powders John Barsness suggestion of the cheap lee perfect powder measure still amazes me. Tosses 4350 and the like better than our expensive harrels.... by far. Better than uniflow. Better than BR30. Just a FWIW


Thats a good suggestion. However, I was looking at one at a gunshow, recently, and can't get over how "cheap" the bastid looks.. Mostly plastic..

It is cheap plastic. Last I thought they were 20 bucks or so. I've had one now since about 2015. I'm careful with it. And likely only a couple thousand rounds loaded with it. But its amazing. Almost like their priming tool. Cheap enough to have spares on hand. And truth told I try to avoid lee products mostly but sometimes they are all that are there etc....


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Originally Posted by David_Walter
Switch from Varget to Shooters World Precision

Here’s why

I like SW powders, SW "match" is another good one for 62 gr + bullets. Trouble is they like everything else dried up lately. I use a lot of 4320 in these hard to find powder times and I love the stuff, small kernels, easy to run through my #55.Speed king? no but it flat out works.


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Originally Posted by rost495
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BTW for stick powders John Barsness suggestion of the cheap lee perfect powder measure still amazes me. Tosses 4350 and the like better than our expensive harrels.... by far. Better than uniflow. Better than BR30. Just a FWIW


Thats a good suggestion. However, I was looking at one at a gunshow, recently, and can't get over how "cheap" the bastid looks.. Mostly plastic..

It is cheap plastic. Last I thought they were 20 bucks or so. I've had one now since about 2015. I'm careful with it. And likely only a couple thousand rounds loaded with it. But its amazing. Almost like their priming tool. Cheap enough to have spares on hand. And truth told I try to avoid lee products mostly but sometimes they are all that are there etc....


Good info. Thanks rost..


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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Count me in on the H-4895 over Varget train. Although it has been years since I used H-4895,my notes showed very good accuracy and good flexibility in .223 as well as other cartridges. I have not had nearly as much success with Varget. Admittedly, my favorite powders for .223 are TAC, Benchmark, IMR-8208XBR, Accurate 2015 and 2230, pretty much in that order. I also like IMR-4064,but it meters even worse than Varget or H-4895 and is slower to boot! It has proven to be very accurate with 50and 55 gr bullets, enough so, that I will try some with the 69 and 77 gr bullets just to see how they do.

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Either 4895 preferably H, is there with Unique as The powder.

If a guy had those two, there are very few rounds he can't load.

Probably never be the very best powder for the application,
But it's always useable.

But hell, who here wants the one gun, one load, one powder.


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I'm getting ready to tilt the windmill with RG4895, an Aussie surplus version of 4895.

I'll start low and work up, but I have 4 lbs and if I find a load that works, a 1,000 rounds worth of powder.


26 grains under a 55 FMJ 5.56 will get me to a thousand rounds. That's reportedly the Aussie load with this powder.

(4 pounds * 7,000 grains per pound) / 26 grains per round = 1,076 rounds


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Started playing with Varget, with the 77's I could start to hear crunching, as I was seating the bullet around 23.6 grains, stopped at that point,

23.6 grains only gave me around 2430 fps, with average accuracy..

I'm moving to the 69's now, their quite a bit shorter, should be able to get another grain or two of powder in there,

Velocity of 2430 aint what I'm looking for.


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Originally Posted by Kenneth
Started playing with Varget, with the 77's I could start to hear crunching, as I was seating the bullet around 23.6 grains, stopped at that point,
Load it up to 24.5gr with the 77s seated at 2.24" or even 2.23". A little crunch never hurt a thing.


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Started playing with Varget, with the 77's I could start to hear crunching, as I was seating the bullet around 23.6 grains, stopped at that point,
Load it up to 24.5gr with the 77s seated at 2.24" or even 2.23". A little crunch never hurt a thing.


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Originally Posted by rost495
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H4895 with 69 Sierra’s is the cats ass! Works fine with 77’s as well. I was using 23.5grs with the 69 Sierra’s.

I have never had luck with 4895 in our tubes. Always reached pressure before any top speed. Although it was accurate, it was slow as all get out. Both versions. I/H. And since AA is off my list...

Good luck though and if I was in the need for powder, a slow load is better than no load


I know almost a year later. I was using this load for 100yd reduced XTC matches, our club holds. So no need to set any kind of speed records. On another note up here in Alaska I’m not too concerned about 90 degree days. Our avg temps for a match in the summer time are in the 70’s. I use H4895 in our 224 Valkyrie for midrange matches. I use accurate 2495 with 75gr ELD-M in my 223 service rifle for the long line. 200-300 I use 75gr hornady BTHP w/A2495.


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for 223 and 4895 just say no. Its never done fast speeds and accuracy. Though at 2450 80s were shot into knots. Not that I'd know what to do with 2450...

Any time we got speed we got too much pressure.

Rounds other than 223 yes.

I keep H4895 handy for rainy days. But it will never see a 223


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Originally Posted by Kenneth
Originally Posted by rost495
BTW for stick powders John Barsness suggestion of the cheap lee perfect powder measure still amazes me. Tosses 4350 and the like better than our expensive harrels.... by far. Better than uniflow. Better than BR30. Just a FWIW


rost, I'm confused...I tried sending you a pm....Turns out you have me on ignore?

But here you are.....

Whats up with that?



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Originally Posted by rost495
for 223 and 4895 just say no. Its never done fast speeds and accuracy. Though at 2450 80s were shot into knots. Not that I'd know what to do with 2450...

Any time we got speed we got too much pressure.

Rounds other than 223 yes.

I keep H4895 handy for rainy days. But it will never see a 223


This ^^^^^^^^^^^

Except that I'd never say never, but it would be last resort.

Let me say again, loudly, what Jeff says above: "Any time we got speed we got too much pressure."

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