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I purposely deal with companies that give me the option to search "Made in the USA" products, MSC Direct is a great example. I have been outfitting toolboxes on two new tractors with only American made hand tools, mainly Proto and Klein, it cost me more, but after the last year, I really don't care, as long as it keeps an American worker employed!

Optics is a little tougher, German, American and the Philippine manufactured optics are all I own.


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Hey, that's where both parties bowed to corporations to undercut US labor and send jobs to, eh?


Yep. Republicrats, Democans. Liars and greedy thieves of US jobs between sending them overseas and opening up the border for slave rate labor. Rise up.


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I hope you all will understand if I decide to keep my wife. Gotten kinda used to her and the bait ain’t what it used to be.

I've not seen any anti-Chinese people comments here, so I am in favor of you staying the course.


I appreciate that. Good women are tough to find. This one’s the best of the three I’ve managed to corral so far.


Good on you Pappy. You saved her and she probably saved you. God bless your relationship.


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OK, do you think that even if everyone in the world stops buying Chinese manufactured optics that this in itself is going to sink China's economy? Of course it won't. Think about it. China has vast economic interests all over the world. And even if the United states is their biggest customer, if the U.S.A. cut all trade with China, the Chinese economy would still survive.


That is not necessarily true. America is China's largest trading partner. Reducing trade with China would significantly reduce their revenue. Secondly, by not trading with them it would significantly reduce access to our technology and if we would simultaneously enforce our patent and copyright laws it appears China couldn't figure out how to manufacture a pencil.........

America is paying for China's military. Reducing that would alone significantly reduces the chance of military conflict.


There goes that old logic thing again. “Trumps” emotion every time. Great post.


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I'm just going to boycott everything Beretta. They're likely calling the shots on Burris, and you can't be too safe.

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OK, do you think that even if everyone in the world stops buying Chinese manufactured optics that this in itself is going to sink China's economy? Of course it won't. Think about it. China has vast economic interests all over the world. And even if the United states is their biggest customer, if the U.S.A. cut all trade with China, the Chinese economy would still survive. If enough people stopped buying Chinese optics to the point that it was not worth their while manufacturing them, very quickly those factories would switch over to manufacturing products that you will still be buying, embedded in products that you did not even know had Chinese manufactured parts in them. If it makes you feel better to not buy things made in China, good for you. But good luck finding enough of what you need that is not at least partially made in China.

The only 2 ways this dependency or "lack of choice" problem is going to get solved, if it ever does get solved, is 1) If the United states goes to all out war with China, all trade will be cut.
2) The United states will have to change it's government. Yes, good luck in getting that done, especially now that stealing elections is doable. The United States had a President that was working on this China problem until a way was "engineered" to remove him from office. You may find a leader with close ideals and skills, but good luck finding a leader with balls that big.

I have probably 25 rifle scopes. One of them is Chinese manufactured. I have 3 Chinese made Holosun red dot sights. These 4 optics have at least one feature that is not available on other non-Chinese brands, at least to me here in Romania. I will apologize to no one on these forums or anywhere else, for buying and using these sights. If you feel strongly that buying an occasional Chinese optic is willfully aiding and enabling the enemy, then there is a whole lot of other products you should stop buying and using. RJ


RJ, refusing to buy Communist Chinese products forcefully made by slave labor is a Good Start. Like 1000 Demoroids at the bottom of the ocean. It can’t all be accomplished at once. Government must be changed and that is coming. My fear is when stealing elections is no longer accepted by the American people the Socialist in charge will attempt to use military force to keep us from presenting our grievances to Washington in person. The result will be declaring war on the people in violation of the Constitution. At that point it would be guerrila warfare against an illegal government. That government would not stand and the result.......good I hope.

In the meanwhile are those few features of Holosun really worth YOU supporting Communism, and the people who profit from it? Really. Holosun needs to move manufacturing out of Communist control or die from lack of sales. Primary Arms is another.

I will never stop. Resistance begins with one person. Thank God we “one persons” are coming together. BOYCOTT COMMUNIST CHINA



Shootem, "In the meanwhile" does that car you're driving really worth YOU supporting Communism and the people who profit from it? You gave the Chinese way more money for the Chinese made parts in it than I did for those few Holosuns. RJ


I’m talking about products with an alternative. My wife just bought a new Hyundai. We looked at other brands and bought based on a number of choices. Just so happened a Ford dealership was next door to the Hyundai dealership we used and an Explorer was one of our options. According to the info on the window sticker the Hyundai Sante Fe is more “U.S.”. than the Explorer. I can’t recall all the specs but that’s a fact. Easy enough to confirm. Plus The Sante Fe is assembled by American workers in Montgomery, AL. And the parent company, Kia, has another huge plant not far away from the Hyundai plant, in southwest Georgia. Brand names that seem American mean little anymore.

And the time has come to minimize/replace ALL Communist Chinese components. Possible? Probably not. But I don’t have to be happy about it. Computers and smart phones are the worst. The CEOs of these industries have sold their souls. Censorship, spying on citizens, illegally interfering in elections, selling personal information to the highest bidder no matter the entity or purpose. And totally beholden to the Communist Chinese and slave labor. Laws on these industries MUST be changed. But the political corruption has metastasized so deeply the removal of this cancer may require the death of the corrupt patient.

I will do everything within my minimal power to damage trade with the Communists. Some things I cannot change, many small things I can.


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I'm just going to boycott everything Beretta. They're likely calling the shots on Burris, and you can't be too safe.

Originally Posted by rj308
Originally Posted by shootem
Originally Posted by rj308
OK, do you think that even if everyone in the world stops buying Chinese manufactured optics that this in itself is going to sink China's economy? Of course it won't. Think about it. China has vast economic interests all over the world. And even if the United states is their biggest customer, if the U.S.A. cut all trade with China, the Chinese economy would still survive. If enough people stopped buying Chinese optics to the point that it was not worth their while manufacturing them, very quickly those factories would switch over to manufacturing products that you will still be buying, embedded in products that you did not even know had Chinese manufactured parts in them. If it makes you feel better to not buy things made in China, good for you. But good luck finding enough of what you need that is not at least partially made in China.

The only 2 ways this dependency or "lack of choice" problem is going to get solved, if it ever does get solved, is 1) If the United states goes to all out war with China, all trade will be cut.
2) The United states will have to change it's government. Yes, good luck in getting that done, especially now that stealing elections is doable. The United States had a President that was working on this China problem until a way was "engineered" to remove him from office. You may find a leader with close ideals and skills, but good luck finding a leader with balls that big.

I have probably 25 rifle scopes. One of them is Chinese manufactured. I have 3 Chinese made Holosun red dot sights. These 4 optics have at least one feature that is not available on other non-Chinese brands, at least to me here in Romania. I will apologize to no one on these forums or anywhere else, for buying and using these sights. If you feel strongly that buying an occasional Chinese optic is willfully aiding and enabling the enemy, then there is a whole lot of other products you should stop buying and using. RJ


RJ, refusing to buy Communist Chinese products forcefully made by slave labor is a Good Start. Like 1000 Demoroids at the bottom of the ocean. It can’t all be accomplished at once. Government must be changed and that is coming. My fear is when stealing elections is no longer accepted by the American people the Socialist in charge will attempt to use military force to keep us from presenting our grievances to Washington in person. The result will be declaring war on the people in violation of the Constitution. At that point it would be guerrila warfare against an illegal government. That government would not stand and the result.......good I hope.

In the meanwhile are those few features of Holosun really worth YOU supporting Communism, and the people who profit from it? Really. Holosun needs to move manufacturing out of Communist control or die from lack of sales. Primary Arms is another.

I will never stop. Resistance begins with one person. Thank God we “one persons” are coming together. BOYCOTT COMMUNIST CHINA



Shootem, "In the meanwhile" does that car you're driving really worth YOU supporting Communism and the people who profit from it? You gave the Chinese way more money for the Chinese made parts in it than I did for those few Holosuns. RJ


I’m talking about products with an alternative. My wife just bought a new Hyundai. We looked at other brands and bought based on a number of choices. Just so happened a Ford dealership was next door to the Hyundai dealership we used and an Explorer was one of our options. According to the info on the window sticker the Hyundai Sante Fe is more “U.S.”. than the Explorer. I can’t recall all the specs but that’s a fact. Easy enough to confirm. Plus The Sante Fe is assembled by American workers in Montgomery, AL. And the parent company, Kia, has another huge plant not far away from the Hyundai plant, in southwest Georgia. Brand names that seem American mean little anymore.

And the time has come to minimize/replace ALL Communist Chinese components. Possible? Probably not. But I don’t have to be happy about it. Computers and smart phones are the worst. The CEOs of these industries have sold their souls. Censorship, spying on citizens, illegally interfering in elections, selling personal information to the highest bidder no matter the entity or purpose. And totally beholden to the Communist Chinese and slave labor. Laws on these industries MUST be changed. But the political corruption has metastasized so deeply the removal of this cancer may require the death of the corrupt patient.

I will do everything within my minimal power to damage trade with the Communists. Some things I cannot change, many small things I can.


Shootem. A lot of what you're saying, I agree with, but a few things I don't. Do you think Hyundai does not use any Chinese parts in their cars? This is a world economy and car manufacturers do not buy all of the parts for their cars in their own country. And for them to make a profit. cost is a factor. So most times they buy from the lowest bidder that meets their part spec. I do think it is a damn shame on American government if you have to buy a foreign brand automobile to get less Chinese parts than in an American brand, if that is the case.

If China makes a move to re-aquire Taiwan in the middle of this decade, as is rumored, we have a lot more to worry about than buying Chinese optics. RJ

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I don't know how many rifles you have, but by adding another caliber you wish to play with ,top line Leupold or European glass is going to double the cost of the rifle. That's fine for the one rifle hunter. Maybe we are living too materialistic.


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Originally Posted by shootem
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I hope you all will understand if I decide to keep my wife. Gotten kinda used to her and the bait ain’t what it used to be.

I've not seen any anti-Chinese people comments here, so I am in favor of you staying the course.


I appreciate that. Good women are tough to find. This one’s the best of the three I’ve managed to corral so far.


Good on you Pappy. You saved her and she probably saved you. God bless your relationship.


She’s in the kitchen right now, getting some turkey legs ready for the insta-pot for soup with homemade noodles. Life is good.


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I don't know how many rifles you have, but by adding another caliber you wish to play with ,top line Leupold or European glass is going to double the cost of the rifle. That's fine for the one rifle hunter. Maybe we are living too materialistic.


I’m compromising with Japanese Trijicon glass. Pretty good glass, reportedly solid mechanics, illumination, good reticle choices, and moderate prices, not cheap. Have three so far. Trijicon offers many with your choice of FFP or SFP, unusual I think. For the price of the most expensive one so far, I was pretty close to SHV territory, but the others were a good bit less. Still running several Burris and a couple of Leupolds of varying vintages.


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Is Sightron making anything of interest currently, non-Comm of course?


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Originally Posted by shootem
Originally Posted by alpinecrick
Originally Posted by rj308
OK, do you think that even if everyone in the world stops buying Chinese manufactured optics that this in itself is going to sink China's economy? Of course it won't. Think about it. China has vast economic interests all over the world. And even if the United states is their biggest customer, if the U.S.A. cut all trade with China, the Chinese economy would still survive.


That is not necessarily true. America is China's largest trading partner. Reducing trade with China would significantly reduce their revenue. Secondly, by not trading with them it would significantly reduce access to our technology and if we would simultaneously enforce our patent and copyright laws it appears China couldn't figure out how to manufacture a pencil.........

America is paying for China's military. Reducing that would alone significantly reduces the chance of military conflict.


There goes that old logic thing again. “Trumps” emotion every time. Great post.


China is deeply rooted in many countries and has invested so that those countries are indebted to them so they keep doing business with them. The US is no exception and we keep making even more debt so that they can own a us a little more (stimulus anyone). China is also very active in Africa, South America, Russia etc. This country is going to be our worst nightmare at some point because we are letting them through the front door and we keep supporting them. China commits some of the most horrific atrocities to their own people but do you here much about it? Nope, because the news media in this country doesn't want to upset China because they are either heavily invested in China or they are doing business in China (Comcast, Disney etc.).

China has steadily accumulated U.S. Treasury securities over the last few decades. As of January 2021, the Asian nation owns $1.095 trillion, or about 4%, of the $28 trillion U.S. national debt, which is more than any other foreign country except Japan.


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Sounds good Pappy. How many pounds have you gained since yo ted up with her. I'm doing a pound a year.


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I’d just lost about twenty when I met her. Found it later, but am trying to lose it again. Ain’t easy at 69!

She picked a few as well, but is very active and flexible. With the garden starting up, she’ll be a busy gal until October.


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Originally Posted by rj308
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I'm just going to boycott everything Beretta. They're likely calling the shots on Burris, and you can't be too safe.

Originally Posted by rj308
Originally Posted by shootem
Originally Posted by rj308
OK, do you think that even if everyone in the world stops buying Chinese manufactured optics that this in itself is going to sink China's economy? Of course it won't. Think about it. China has vast economic interests all over the world. And even if the United states is their biggest customer, if the U.S.A. cut all trade with China, the Chinese economy would still survive. If enough people stopped buying Chinese optics to the point that it was not worth their while manufacturing them, very quickly those factories would switch over to manufacturing products that you will still be buying, embedded in products that you did not even know had Chinese manufactured parts in them. If it makes you feel better to not buy things made in China, good for you. But good luck finding enough of what you need that is not at least partially made in China.

The only 2 ways this dependency or "lack of choice" problem is going to get solved, if it ever does get solved, is 1) If the United states goes to all out war with China, all trade will be cut.
2) The United states will have to change it's government. Yes, good luck in getting that done, especially now that stealing elections is doable. The United States had a President that was working on this China problem until a way was "engineered" to remove him from office. You may find a leader with close ideals and skills, but good luck finding a leader with balls that big.

I have probably 25 rifle scopes. One of them is Chinese manufactured. I have 3 Chinese made Holosun red dot sights. These 4 optics have at least one feature that is not available on other non-Chinese brands, at least to me here in Romania. I will apologize to no one on these forums or anywhere else, for buying and using these sights. If you feel strongly that buying an occasional Chinese optic is willfully aiding and enabling the enemy, then there is a whole lot of other products you should stop buying and using. RJ


RJ, refusing to buy Communist Chinese products forcefully made by slave labor is a Good Start. Like 1000 Demoroids at the bottom of the ocean. It can’t all be accomplished at once. Government must be changed and that is coming. My fear is when stealing elections is no longer accepted by the American people the Socialist in charge will attempt to use military force to keep us from presenting our grievances to Washington in person. The result will be declaring war on the people in violation of the Constitution. At that point it would be guerrila warfare against an illegal government. That government would not stand and the result.......good I hope.

In the meanwhile are those few features of Holosun really worth YOU supporting Communism, and the people who profit from it? Really. Holosun needs to move manufacturing out of Communist control or die from lack of sales. Primary Arms is another.

I will never stop. Resistance begins with one person. Thank God we “one persons” are coming together. BOYCOTT COMMUNIST CHINA



Shootem, "In the meanwhile" does that car you're driving really worth YOU supporting Communism and the people who profit from it? You gave the Chinese way more money for the Chinese made parts in it than I did for those few Holosuns. RJ


I’m talking about products with an alternative. My wife just bought a new Hyundai. We looked at other brands and bought based on a number of choices. Just so happened a Ford dealership was next door to the Hyundai dealership we used and an Explorer was one of our options. According to the info on the window sticker the Hyundai Sante Fe is more “U.S.”. than the Explorer. I can’t recall all the specs but that’s a fact. Easy enough to confirm. Plus The Sante Fe is assembled by American workers in Montgomery, AL. And the parent company, Kia, has another huge plant not far away from the Hyundai plant, in southwest Georgia. Brand names that seem American mean little anymore.

And the time has come to minimize/replace ALL Communist Chinese components. Possible? Probably not. But I don’t have to be happy about it. Computers and smart phones are the worst. The CEOs of these industries have sold their souls. Censorship, spying on citizens, illegally interfering in elections, selling personal information to the highest bidder no matter the entity or purpose. And totally beholden to the Communist Chinese and slave labor. Laws on these industries MUST be changed. But the political corruption has metastasized so deeply the removal of this cancer may require the death of the corrupt patient.

I will do everything within my minimal power to damage trade with the Communists. Some things I cannot change, many small things I can.


Shootem. A lot of what you're saying, I agree with, but a few things I don't. Do you think Hyundai does not use any Chinese parts in their cars? This is a world economy and car manufacturers do not buy all of the parts for their cars in their own country. And for them to make a profit. cost is a factor. So most times they buy from the lowest bidder that meets their part spec. I do think it is a damn shame on American government if you have to buy a foreign brand automobile to get less Chinese parts than in an American brand, if that is the case.

If China makes a move to re-aquire Taiwan in the middle of this decade, as is rumored, we have a lot more to worry about than buying Chinese optics. RJ
As a former employee of an American gun company, I can tell you for certain that not all parts of "American made" firearms are made in the USA either.

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I'm just going to boycott everything Beretta. They're likely calling the shots on Burris, and you can't be too safe.

Originally Posted by rj308
Originally Posted by shootem
Originally Posted by rj308
OK, do you think that even if everyone in the world stops buying Chinese manufactured optics that this in itself is going to sink China's economy? Of course it won't. Think about it. China has vast economic interests all over the world. And even if the United states is their biggest customer, if the U.S.A. cut all trade with China, the Chinese economy would still survive. If enough people stopped buying Chinese optics to the point that it was not worth their while manufacturing them, very quickly those factories would switch over to manufacturing products that you will still be buying, embedded in products that you did not even know had Chinese manufactured parts in them. If it makes you feel better to not buy things made in China, good for you. But good luck finding enough of what you need that is not at least partially made in China.

The only 2 ways this dependency or "lack of choice" problem is going to get solved, if it ever does get solved, is 1) If the United states goes to all out war with China, all trade will be cut.
2) The United states will have to change it's government. Yes, good luck in getting that done, especially now that stealing elections is doable. The United States had a President that was working on this China problem until a way was "engineered" to remove him from office. You may find a leader with close ideals and skills, but good luck finding a leader with balls that big.

I have probably 25 rifle scopes. One of them is Chinese manufactured. I have 3 Chinese made Holosun red dot sights. These 4 optics have at least one feature that is not available on other non-Chinese brands, at least to me here in Romania. I will apologize to no one on these forums or anywhere else, for buying and using these sights. If you feel strongly that buying an occasional Chinese optic is willfully aiding and enabling the enemy, then there is a whole lot of other products you should stop buying and using. RJ


RJ, refusing to buy Communist Chinese products forcefully made by slave labor is a Good Start. Like 1000 Demoroids at the bottom of the ocean. It can’t all be accomplished at once. Government must be changed and that is coming. My fear is when stealing elections is no longer accepted by the American people the Socialist in charge will attempt to use military force to keep us from presenting our grievances to Washington in person. The result will be declaring war on the people in violation of the Constitution. At that point it would be guerrila warfare against an illegal government. That government would not stand and the result.......good I hope.

In the meanwhile are those few features of Holosun really worth YOU supporting Communism, and the people who profit from it? Really. Holosun needs to move manufacturing out of Communist control or die from lack of sales. Primary Arms is another.

I will never stop. Resistance begins with one person. Thank God we “one persons” are coming together. BOYCOTT COMMUNIST CHINA



Shootem, "In the meanwhile" does that car you're driving really worth YOU supporting Communism and the people who profit from it? You gave the Chinese way more money for the Chinese made parts in it than I did for those few Holosuns. RJ


I’m talking about products with an alternative. My wife just bought a new Hyundai. We looked at other brands and bought based on a number of choices. Just so happened a Ford dealership was next door to the Hyundai dealership we used and an Explorer was one of our options. According to the info on the window sticker the Hyundai Sante Fe is more “U.S.”. than the Explorer. I can’t recall all the specs but that’s a fact. Easy enough to confirm. Plus The Sante Fe is assembled by American workers in Montgomery, AL. And the parent company, Kia, has another huge plant not far away from the Hyundai plant, in southwest Georgia. Brand names that seem American mean little anymore.

And the time has come to minimize/replace ALL Communist Chinese components. Possible? Probably not. But I don’t have to be happy about it. Computers and smart phones are the worst. The CEOs of these industries have sold their souls. Censorship, spying on citizens, illegally interfering in elections, selling personal information to the highest bidder no matter the entity or purpose. And totally beholden to the Communist Chinese and slave labor. Laws on these industries MUST be changed. But the political corruption has metastasized so deeply the removal of this cancer may require the death of the corrupt patient.

I will do everything within my minimal power to damage trade with the Communists. Some things I cannot change, many small things I can.


Shootem. A lot of what you're saying, I agree with, but a few things I don't. Do you think Hyundai does not use any Chinese parts in their cars? This is a world economy and car manufacturers do not buy all of the parts for their cars in their own country. And for them to make a profit. cost is a factor. So most times they buy from the lowest bidder that meets their part spec. I do think it is a damn shame on American government if you have to buy a foreign brand automobile to get less Chinese parts than in an American brand, if that is the case.

If China makes a move to re-aquire Taiwan in the middle of this decade, as is rumored, we have a lot more to worry about than buying Chinese optics. RJ
As a former employee of an American gun company, I can tell you for certain that not all parts of "American made" firearms are made in the USA either.



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It is amazing to me of all the people making excuses to keep buying Chinese. What if you told these companies that you wouldn't buy from them if they keep making products in China? Or are you ok with communism and their goal to take over the world.

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I'm just going to boycott everything Beretta. They're likely calling the shots on Burris, and you can't be too safe.

Originally Posted by rj308
Originally Posted by shootem
Originally Posted by rj308
OK, do you think that even if everyone in the world stops buying Chinese manufactured optics that this in itself is going to sink China's economy? Of course it won't. Think about it. China has vast economic interests all over the world. And even if the United states is their biggest customer, if the U.S.A. cut all trade with China, the Chinese economy would still survive. If enough people stopped buying Chinese optics to the point that it was not worth their while manufacturing them, very quickly those factories would switch over to manufacturing products that you will still be buying, embedded in products that you did not even know had Chinese manufactured parts in them. If it makes you feel better to not buy things made in China, good for you. But good luck finding enough of what you need that is not at least partially made in China.

The only 2 ways this dependency or "lack of choice" problem is going to get solved, if it ever does get solved, is 1) If the United states goes to all out war with China, all trade will be cut.
2) The United states will have to change it's government. Yes, good luck in getting that done, especially now that stealing elections is doable. The United States had a President that was working on this China problem until a way was "engineered" to remove him from office. You may find a leader with close ideals and skills, but good luck finding a leader with balls that big.

I have probably 25 rifle scopes. One of them is Chinese manufactured. I have 3 Chinese made Holosun red dot sights. These 4 optics have at least one feature that is not available on other non-Chinese brands, at least to me here in Romania. I will apologize to no one on these forums or anywhere else, for buying and using these sights. If you feel strongly that buying an occasional Chinese optic is willfully aiding and enabling the enemy, then there is a whole lot of other products you should stop buying and using. RJ


RJ, refusing to buy Communist Chinese products forcefully made by slave labor is a Good Start. Like 1000 Demoroids at the bottom of the ocean. It can’t all be accomplished at once. Government must be changed and that is coming. My fear is when stealing elections is no longer accepted by the American people the Socialist in charge will attempt to use military force to keep us from presenting our grievances to Washington in person. The result will be declaring war on the people in violation of the Constitution. At that point it would be guerrila warfare against an illegal government. That government would not stand and the result.......good I hope.

In the meanwhile are those few features of Holosun really worth YOU supporting Communism, and the people who profit from it? Really. Holosun needs to move manufacturing out of Communist control or die from lack of sales. Primary Arms is another.

I will never stop. Resistance begins with one person. Thank God we “one persons” are coming together. BOYCOTT COMMUNIST CHINA



Shootem, "In the meanwhile" does that car you're driving really worth YOU supporting Communism and the people who profit from it? You gave the Chinese way more money for the Chinese made parts in it than I did for those few Holosuns. RJ


I’m talking about products with an alternative. My wife just bought a new Hyundai. We looked at other brands and bought based on a number of choices. Just so happened a Ford dealership was next door to the Hyundai dealership we used and an Explorer was one of our options. According to the info on the window sticker the Hyundai Sante Fe is more “U.S.”. than the Explorer. I can’t recall all the specs but that’s a fact. Easy enough to confirm. Plus The Sante Fe is assembled by American workers in Montgomery, AL. And the parent company, Kia, has another huge plant not far away from the Hyundai plant, in southwest Georgia. Brand names that seem American mean little anymore.

And the time has come to minimize/replace ALL Communist Chinese components. Possible? Probably not. But I don’t have to be happy about it. Computers and smart phones are the worst. The CEOs of these industries have sold their souls. Censorship, spying on citizens, illegally interfering in elections, selling personal information to the highest bidder no matter the entity or purpose. And totally beholden to the Communist Chinese and slave labor. Laws on these industries MUST be changed. But the political corruption has metastasized so deeply the removal of this cancer may require the death of the corrupt patient.

I will do everything within my minimal power to damage trade with the Communists. Some things I cannot change, many small things I can.


Shootem. A lot of what you're saying, I agree with, but a few things I don't. Do you think Hyundai does not use any Chinese parts in their cars? This is a world economy and car manufacturers do not buy all of the parts for their cars in their own country. And for them to make a profit. cost is a factor. So most times they buy from the lowest bidder that meets their part spec. I do think it is a damn shame on American government if you have to buy a foreign brand automobile to get less Chinese parts than in an American brand, if that is the case.

If China makes a move to re-aquire Taiwan in the middle of this decade, as is rumored, we have a lot more to worry about than buying Chinese optics. RJ
As a former employee of an American gun company, I can tell you for certain that not all parts of "American made" firearms are made in the USA either.



Don't you think that should change.
I don't like it at all. On the other hand, most folks probably wouldn't like paying the price for American labor if every part were made in USA and a lot of others simply wouldn't be able to afford it. Hell the folks at the gun company I worked for couldn't afford to buy the guns we made. I think it would surprise many folks who think American manufacturing jobs would "bring back the American middle class" in a big way just how little many of those jobs actually pay.

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Originally Posted by Just a Hunter
It is amazing to me of all the people making excuses to keep buying Chinese. What if you told these companies that you wouldn't buy from them if they keep making products in China? Or are you ok with communism and their goal to take over the world.


You couldn't have made your post without Chinese made goods. It's not that people do or do not like it, it's just reality until governments and huge companies stop doing business with them which isn't going to happen. You can try and not buy it but most of the time you wouldn't even know it.


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It is amazing to me of all the people making excuses to keep buying Chinese. What if you told these companies that you wouldn't buy from them if they keep making products in China? Or are you ok with communism and their goal to take over the world.


You couldn't have made your post without Chinese made goods. It's not that people do or do not like it, it's just reality until governments and huge companies stop doing business with them which isn't going to happen. You can try and not buy it but most of the time you wouldn't even know it.


In my heart I know we are too far down a path to change it, and we'll never completely eliminate support China and other foreign economies, but we sure can limit it. The biggest problem is that we Americans are just too lazy to care and spend a little extra time looking for alternatives. Not every single one of us, but the majority are just too lazy or simply don't care or simply don't understand that buying from your enemy is just bad business.


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China has the most materialistic society on earth. And they are damm good at it. They make Republicans look like socialists.. Part of the know your enemy. The more I read this thread, the more I become despondent. It seems hopeless . The battle is lost.


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