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When do you think they started making 250-3000 barrels with 1-10" twist rates? Not just one-off's or one or two months of that year.. but full time including a full or almost full year?
1) 1955 2) 1959 3) 1960 4) 1961 5) 1965
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We'll take more answers for a few more hours.
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59 or 60
Since the twist rate was not exact my guess should be close enough!
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Since the twist rate was not exact my guess should be close enough! I follow your logic (joke). I think we've demonstrated that twist rate measurements and techniques vary from person to person and measurement to measurement. Therefore, to say twist rates vary is probably a stretch since the twist rate measurements are inaccurate +/- partial turns. Measuring twist rate of a rifle barrel is a real rabbit hole.... twist rate device
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I think we've demonstrated that twist rate measurements and techniques vary from person to person and measurement to measurement. Therefore, to say twist rates vary is probably a stretch since the twist rate measurements are inaccurate +/- partial turns. Measuring twist rate of a rifle barrel is a real rabbit hole.... twist rate deviceYeah, but the factory specifications for barrel twist rate isn't a rabbit hole. I'm always interested in hearing what people have measured their rifles at, but this quiz is about when did the factory change the specifications.
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1960 I have a 1960 F with a 1in10 twist.
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I thought I always heard 60?
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I thought I always heard 60? Yep, I think I was just telling Keith a week or two ago that the change happened in 1960. Now.. The answer is: I'm not sure. Before you all lynch me, though.. I can definitely say it is NOT 1960. I was reviewing some pictures of factory information that Fug kindly let me grab a snapshot of, and I ran across bore specifications for Savage 99's. The 250-3000 is listed as 1-10", and I didn't think much of it because there's a couple pages and the first one is 1980. Thought they were all postmil stuff. I finally spotted up in one corner a line on one page... "DATA ON GUNS MADE AS OF 2-26-59". The 250-3000 is listed as 6 grooves of 0.090" with a right hand 1-10" twist. So it might be #2.. 1959. Maybe.. 1958? But both Fug and I think the bigger question is, when did any of these barrels make it onto a 99 to be sold? They didn't seem to sell many 250-3000's in 1959. Might it be they were using in-stock 1-14" twist rate barrels throughout 1959, and the 1-10" twist barrels didn't get used until 1960? If anybody has 1958-1959 rifles in 250-3000... feel free to check them. My latest is a 1957, and it was 1-14" twist, give or take 1/4". But the barrel change to 250-3000 was at least at the beginning of 1959. Something new we didn't know before.
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I still think 1961 is the safest bet. By then all the old slow twist barrels would've been used up and 1-10" barrels solidly in the pipeline.
Another question would be "why bother abandoning the old twist in the first place?" Does anybody here really feel handicapped by using a 1-14" barrel? Think about it.
Had the twist stayed at 1-14" I bet the bullet people would've put more effort into developing technologically advanced short/light bullets, and bingo, performance would've improved while retaining the original premise of the .250-3000 - lightning speed. But alas with few exceptions such wasn't to be.
In other words, in terms of "improving" the performance of the .250-3000, we're saddled with bullet technology of several generations ago, ie: "up the game with the good old cup-n-core by bumping up bullet weight." I often wondered why Nosler never offered an 80-87 grain Partition short enough to stabilize in the 1-14" twist.
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Calhoun, I'm pretty sure Eaglemountainman (Tim) has a 1959 99F .250-3000 with a 1:10.
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Calhoun, I'm pretty sure Eaglemountainman (Tim) has a 1959 99F .250-3000 with a 1:10. That is a valuable piece of information if verified. I seem to also recall that a 1960 .250 F was reported to allegedly had a 1:14 barrel on it though. Which, I suppose, heaps more fuel on the fire of - with Savage, never say never...
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Calhoun, I'm pretty sure Eaglemountainman (Tim) has a 1959 99F .250-3000 with a 1:10. That is a valuable piece of information if verified. I seem to also recall that a 1960 .250 F was reported to allegedly had a 1:14 barrel on it though. Which, I suppose, heaps more fuel on the fire of - with Savage, never say never... So the barrel addresses on these anomalies would be interesting and important information to know. Where there any 1-10 Chicopee marked barrels or were they all Westfield, even though they may have been screwed on pre mil receivers? I have 2 guns with Chicopee barrels screwed on early post mil receivers so why not?
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