Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters 06 case-just about perfect.

The small case, excessive taper, and excessively steep shoulder of the .30-06 are facts. They are not opinion. And they make the .30-06 less effective as a hunting round (and as a parent for hunting rounds) than it would otherwise be. You get less velocity, poor efficiency, and worse accuracy and reloadability than you would get with a better designed case.

Those are facts.

Now, if someone want to get all nostalgic that grandaddy was holding an -06 when he brought up the rear on Guadalcanal, well, that's their business. But it doesn't change the facts.

"We would've been better off with the 6mm Lee Navy"
Yeah right. The Japanese began WWII with all their eggs in the 6.5x50 basket. They found it lacking and quickly brought out the 7.7 JAP

Incoming tide on the Brazos River, bull sharks would come up. We would sit in the rail road bridge and shoot the bastards with ball ammo. Real dirty water but you could the belly flash as they rolled over after a hit. My buddy had an 06 of course, got our stuff from Cookseys gun shop in Clute. Good times

You're talking about rounds that have almost twice the energy of our current battle rifle, squad marksman, and squad machine gun round.

They were (and are) certainly adequate with a suitable projectile.

I agree that the '06 case is a great one for all-purpose hunting, not too much and not too little. If we're talking target shooting I like one that's milder but for hunting it's just about perfect.

Especially after it's AI-ed and necked down to 7 mm or 6.5.

The .30-03/6, as both a military case for the M1 rifle, as well as a hunting case for a century of outstanding hunting cartridges, is a resounding success.

The 1:10 twist being optimum for ethical hunting ranges.

Too bad about your .300 squat-n-loud, what w/ it already bein' antiquated.

But then, who will miss the li'l loud-mouth, anyway.





GR

If you fix the case it gets better - imagine that

If you consider spending twice as much resouirces for no bennefit a "success"

Hell, you probably actually think stupid [bleep] like that...

"The small case, excessive taper, and excessively steep shoulder of the .30-06 are facts"

Excessively steep shoulder?? The shoulder on your beloved WSM is 35 degrees, much steeper than, the '06 shoulder (17 degree, 30 minute). Once again, you have your "facts" confused. Climbed a steep hill lately?

BTW, I use a 270 WSM a lot, and enjoy it. But as a practical matter, I can see nothing it can do that my 270 WCFs can't. Marginally increase velocity? The animals cant tell the difference and the trajectory difference is not material at "normal" hunting range. oh, yeah, almost forgot: the action is .28" shorter. Wow,

Please explain how these marginal "improvements" would make the '06 a "more effective hunting round"? Yes, "steeper" shoulders, reduced taper, incremental MV increases are technically an improvement. But most are marginal improvements at best.

We can debate whether the government's decision to pick the '06 design over others was the best , and I'd probably agree with you. But how much difference would that have made in WW1 and WW2, etc? Certainly didn't make the 30/06 a "disaster".

Don't be so hard on your .300 squat-n-loud.

The .30-06 produces the same BBQ for a lot less.


... That's why it's still the king.







GR

Guys
Y’all are having an intelligence battle with a fellow

Who is UNarmed !!

I’ve never read such foolishness per the 06 case.
I won’t waste my time further.

Jerry

yeah, we're just feeding the troll...

Wrong direction rocket scientist. The shoulder of the WSM is superior to the 30-06. But that's sort of like saying water is wet, because as a hunting cartidge everything about the WSM is superior

One of the things that didn't get brought up is real simple, cost. You don't see 300-400 dollar wsm's you do with 30-06 based cartridges. Ammo , cheapest box of 300's wsm's I ever saw was fed blue box at $33/ box. At the same time 30-06 and 270 were $18/ BOX . I don't see a 50-65% performance increase for the 300 wsm either but the cost increase is there. My point? Some ass clowns just get off trolling. Mb

So even the definition of “steep” is above your head? That explains a lot!

exactly! Why are you guys debating such a dumbass? Why are so many of these guys posting in the fire? This place is getting really hard to read. Remember how it use to be?

You just keep beclowning yourself. It's great. You act like an clown, I laugh at you, and all the nostalgia nuthuggers can have a big circle jerk and tell eachother they shot a doe in '72 and boy did grandpa's -06 more or less work.

And I'll just keep laughing at you

Moron would be more appropriate.

Sounds like more blather. I get the distinct impression that you are a WSM lover with a deep inferiority syndrome - its own form of nostalgia - and even through your love affair and investment you have noted the hype, the fading rep and dismal long term future of WSMs. Sometimes love is not easy.

And yet the WSMs are still better hunting cartridges in ever way than the -06. So I'll just stick with the better cartridge, and you can go jerk off the other nostalgia boys and everyone will be happy