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The price point of new 700 is well suited to current market expectations. Even folks at legendary Mauser Werke recognized this niche by introducing M18 which can be bought in USA for about $500.
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Keeping the factory in New York sounds pretty stupid to me That was a condition of sale the bankruptcy court required from all prospective buyers.
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I blame the assclown Unions.[/quote] Do the unions draw up the prints, that determine the fit of the parts?.....No! Do the unions decide what the tolerances will be?...No!! Then why do you blame the Union worker, for poorly fitting parts?
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I blame the assclown Unions.
Do the unions draw up the prints, that determine the fit of the parts?.....No! Do the unions decide what the tolerances will be?...No!! Then why do you blame the Union worker, for poorly fitting parts? [/quote] Do Unions drive up the cost of even schitty products??? Blow that one out your Union Azz. I hope this was simple enough for you.
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I grew up using Remington rifles and shotguns. Always thought they were top of the line, 700s were slick and smooth, and accurate as well. As a hand loader, I tried to always get Remington brass, as it lasted a little longer than other brands. The last few years before they pulled the plug, I thought that their Quality Control had really been slipping. From the look of it, nothing’s changed. Ruger has earned my loyalty should I need a new bolt rifle, but I’ll check out the Rem-Arms. We’ll see/ 7mm
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I blame the assclown Unions. Do the unions draw up the prints, that determine the fit of the parts?.....No! Do the unions decide what the tolerances will be?...No!! Then why do you blame the Union worker, for poorly fitting parts? No, unions don't draw up the plans nor set the tolerances. Unions DO set up work schedules and run the production quality. If the unions had some pride in their craft, stock to action fit like what was shown would never make it out the door. However, unions are far more about money, comfort, and control than they are about product quality. They work with the management to get the product out the door as quickly as they can market it. Quality in the product? Not so much.
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Keeping the factory in New York sounds pretty stupid to me Beyond stupid.
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Keeping the factory in New York sounds pretty stupid to me That was a condition of sale the bankruptcy court required from all prospective buyers. Someone made the decision to impose that condition. Why?
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I blame the assclown Unions. Do the unions draw up the prints, that determine the fit of the parts?.....No! Do the unions decide what the tolerances will be?...No!! Then why do you blame the Union worker, for poorly fitting parts? No, unions don't draw up the plans nor set the tolerances. Unions DO set up work schedules and run the production quality. If the unions had some pride in their craft, stock to action fit like what was shown would never make it out the door. However, unions are far more about money, comfort, and control than they are about product quality. They work with the management to get the product out the door as quickly as they can market it. Quality in the product? Not so much. One thing they're great at is electing Commies and Demokraps. You know; the people who want your guns, money, freedom, and cradle-to-grave control.
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Sad to say Remingtons are [bleep] now and have been for several years.I have some older ones that are damn nice rifles.
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Keeping the factory in New York sounds pretty stupid to me That was a condition of sale the bankruptcy court required from all prospective buyers. Someone made the decision to impose that condition. Why? Make your first guess "powerful unions elect Demokraps".
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Remington’s problem is they don’t sell what anyone wants. They held a considerable market share for Trap and skeet shotguns once and now its almost zip. Winchester was just as guilty. When thinking about new target shotguns or everyday knock around shotguns zip.
I know a lot of former workers for all of them, Winchester, Remington, Marlin, etc. I’m from Connecticut just about every manufacturer. The men I knew were union and gave a crap. Except Marlin and Mossberg were nonunion. But Marlin started going down hill while still family owned, truth be told. It wasn’t employee greed as much as stupid management.
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I can't see any compelling reason why I would buy a Remington firearm, given the all the other choices available today.
Remember all the Remington triggers that would discharge when the bolt was closed? Remington stonewalled for decades.
But remember when a single-action revolver would discharge if you dropped it with a round in the chamber? Ruger recalled every one it could find and, for free, installed a transfer bar.
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
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Company been passed around like a 20 buck whore to make money off its name and kicked outta the door after a money shot how many times in the last 15 or 20 yrs???? All so rich cats can take the money and run thru bankruptcy loop holes...
Staying in a union labor state= ponzi scheme... Their labor rates also have gotta put a squeeze on profit...
Their firearms for the last 15 or 20 yrs really kinda suck. And they are constantly selling new models of schit no one wants. That is being done like it is planned to make bankruptcy time happen quicker.
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Not easy competing with Mossberg.
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If that is the chit they are bringing to shows I can only imagine what will show up at the shops. Not to mention mass order Walmart’s and such.
I would be interested in seeing some chamber scopes. I don’t guess it matters though. I’m not a buyer anyway.
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The market today demands cheap disposable chit, and that’s what producers are selling. 100 years ago, Remington, Savage, Marlin, Smith and Wesson, etc. were producing firearms of amazing quality. None of them do today. It isn’t because it can’t be done. It is because there is no longer a market for it.
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Remington's last really successful new design came out when Kennedy was President. The run they went on coming out of WWII until then was so spectacular they basically knocked Winchester out of the business. But then they pretty much stagnated. You can only stumble along so far on inertia.
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