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Check out the Jim Shockey thread in the Canada forum. I have.
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i should say.
Lets see what the fine print reveals.
I suspect most people are so eager to get out of the house that they get more people to pay the fee than dont pay. I believe you are correct. A year with little to no hunting can't hurt the quality/quantity of the critters either. Unless Gerald, Darrell and the rest of the locals have been freeballing their own poaching party. Hopefully not. Doubtful as it is a healthy flight into camp. The return on the ALCAN.
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Campfire 'Bwana
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Wonder should you ask how much interest they earned on your deposit?
Sucks Ed,
Good luck with it all.
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Campfire 'Bwana
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Poor behavior all around on the part of the new owner, if you ask me.
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http://stonemountainsafaris.com/Poor behavior indeed. Foreshadowing of future behavior?
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Campfire 'Bwana
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Two possibilities....
1) Outfitter already has your non-refundable deposit, can screw you for some more.
2) Outfitter already has your non-refundable deposit, and unanticipated rise in costs associated with the delay and Covid have made it impossible for them to even break even without additional $4,000+
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I booked a northern BC goat, moose and elk hunt in 2019 for a 2020 hunt. Of course Covid killed that hunt and it was moved to 2021. I just received an email from the outfitter advising the open border and adding a $4200 "Covid Rebooking Fee". WTF? I'd be asking the outfitter that question. I know, crazy talk to go to the source.
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IIRC you are due to go in less than a month. No idea where you stand legally on it all, but I would not be happy about the short notice of a significant increase on an already pricey hunt.
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Ed: if they are associated with or attend either SCI or DSC, I'd give those organizations a call if you get the run around.
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Post it on every platform you can find
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Wonder should you ask how much interest they earned on your deposit?
Sucks Ed,
Good luck with it all. They took that interest and went to lunch twice.
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IIRC you are due to go in less than a month. No idea where you stand legally on it all, but I would not be happy about the short notice of a significant increase on an already pricey hunt. Exactly. If they pulled this crap less than a MONTH before the trip (when they KNOW you’ve already booked flights/etc), then this is akin to theft. The new “owner” has had over a year to make you aware of necessary “price increases”, and instead waited until the last minute, KNOWING he had you over a barrel. If nothing else, do the hunt, and don’t tip a damned DIME...
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OTOH, business owners have been hammered with all the restrictions. They have to charge to stay above water. Some are taking unfair advantage of it, obviously, but many are just doing what they can to survive. As far as not tipping, will the hunt be conducted by the owner or by a hired guide who has no control over what the boss does?
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Does this mean I can now drive to Alaska?
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Lawyer advice time !!!!!
Do the conditions applied at the time of your booking apply to the new hunt at this date ?
Best of luck to ya.
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It sounds like you're getting a raw deal. IMO, the outfitter should honor the terms of the original agreement. It appears he is unwilling, or perhaps unable, to do this. I read Shockey's article and it was a bunch of self serving BS. Ultimately, I might just pay the extra and go on the hunt. It may take a year or two to rebook elsewhere and I'd not want to lose the time. There's no guarantee of tomorrow for any of us. Out of curiosity, will your total be greater than the 2021 price that the new owners are charging?
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Is he the guide too? Is 15% tip normal? If so you can get half back by stiffing him on the tip. 😆
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Well you can either go and try to enjoy the hunt, and hopefully have a good experience and some good trophies and meat, or you can stay home and lose the money you put down. Not a great alternative, but go and see how it plays out. I hope you have a good hunt. I wouldn't send the money, I'd take it with me. You never know what the Canadian gov't is going to do from one day to the next.
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