What are the advantages of the .300 Savage over the .308 Win?
And for those who advocate the .280, what are the advantages of the .280 over the .270...what bullet weight in the .280?
The unpopular 280 Remington (ever seen or shot one?) can out-perform the highly respected 270 Winchester, the historic 7x57mm Mauser, the modern-Mauser-replacement 7mm-08 Remington, the 30-06 Springfield, the sparkling 25-06 Remington, and even that trendy of trendiness (dare I say it?), the 6.5 Creedmoor.
Matches or beats trajectory and energy of 270 Win. and 30-06 Springfield Shoots bullets from 100-grains to 195-grains Effective for game from groundhogs to moose
What bullet weight in the .280 would you use most of the time, or would you keep changing the bullet weight and have to keep resighting it in due to probably the different elevation and windage for each time you change bullet weights?
Agree mostly with this, but there are some < exceptions > . For example if you are hunting in thick woods for very large game where shots are not going to be more than 150 yds, then a bigger bore such as .338 or .358 with say a 250 grain projectile and a shorter barrel say 20-22" and maybe a short action weighing no more than 8lbs with scope with manageable recoil will be better than say a .270 with 130 grain projectiles...this means a cartridge that isn't very flat shooting e.g .338-06, .358 Whelen, .338 RCM, .358 WSM (wildcat) . Also, if hunting heavy dangerous game such as buffalo a .45 caliber using a 500 grain projectile at 2200-2300 fps is ideal, but certainly not flat shooting.
I never said the 270 was best for every situation. You bring in exceptions. I have other, heavier cal/cartridges for diff applications.
Mr. Phil (458 Win here) professional guide and hunter in Ak says the 30-06 is entirely adequate for Brown Bear in Ak. He didn't mention any of the rounds of our "dissenters" here.
These guys are not interested in the 270 discussion and could be called "haters"
Originally Posted by lapua6547
Have we debated the .270 enough?
New thread , new caliber for discussion?
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Originally Posted by asheepdog
.280 Remington for the WIN
Originally Posted by Caplock
Sell em all and get a .300 Savage.
They don't WANT to talk 270 and are trying to distract and ruin a thread they are not interested in.
However 10 ga gives an answer to one of your questions. I agree with him.
Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
I will take flat shooting even in the brush. The closer to line of sight a bullet stays the less chance of deflection from unseen obstructions.
I & 10 ga. have tried to answer your ??
To YOU 'other' guys....If you don't like this thread or the 270....GO find another thread you like or start your own, OR find someone else's thread to disrupt and K M B
What are the advantages of the .300 Savage over the .308 Win?
And for those who advocate the .280, what are the advantages of the .280 over the .270...what bullet weight in the .280?
The unpopular 280 Remington (ever seen or shot one?) can out-perform the highly respected 270 Winchester, the historic 7x57mm Mauser, the modern-Mauser-replacement 7mm-08 Remington, the 30-06 Springfield, the sparkling 25-06 Remington, and even that trendy of trendiness (dare I say it?), the 6.5 Creedmoor.
Matches or beats trajectory and energy of 270 Win. and 30-06 Springfield Shoots bullets from 100-grains to 195-grains Effective for game from groundhogs to moose
What bullet weight in the .280 would you use most of the time, or would you keep changing the bullet weight and have to keep resighting it in due to probably the different elevation and windage for each time you change bullet weights?
What realistic speed for your accurate load using what temperature stable powder do you get in the .280 with a 24" barrel with the 150 grain projectle mentioned in the hyperlink?
I think to properly debate the merits of the .270, other cartridges in normal and exceptional circumstances should be discussed. I'm a .270 fan, but recognize that it has some limitations in some situations or some cartridges may be better in some situations.
What are the advantages of the .300 Savage over the .308 Win?
And for those who advocate the .280, what are the advantages of the .280 over the .270...what bullet weight in the .280?
The unpopular 280 Remington (ever seen or shot one?) can out-perform the highly respected 270 Winchester, the historic 7x57mm Mauser, the modern-Mauser-replacement 7mm-08 Remington, the 30-06 Springfield, the sparkling 25-06 Remington, and even that trendy of trendiness (dare I say it?), the 6.5 Creedmoor.
Matches or beats trajectory and energy of 270 Win. and 30-06 Springfield Shoots bullets from 100-grains to 195-grains Effective for game from groundhogs to moose
What bullet weight in the .280 would you use most of the time, or would you keep changing the bullet weight and have to keep resighting it in due to probably the different elevation and windage for each time you change bullet weights?
What realistic speed for your accurate load using what temperature stable powder do you get in the .280 with a 24" barrel with the 150 grain projectle mentioned in the hyperlink?
Bullets Trump Head stamp. .284 bullets have better BC. Period.
Which bullet in the .280 do you recommend over the .270 140 grain bullet? If its the 140 grain in the .280 then its sectional density won't be as good as the .277 140 grain bullet, and its b.c. may not be better. If its the 150 grain bullet in the .280 what speed in a 24" barrel using a temperature stable powder is your accurate load getting?
Bullets Trump Head stamp. .284 bullets have better BC. Period.
Which bullet in the .280 do you recommend over the .270 140 grain bullet? If its the 140 grain in the .280 then its sectional density won't be as good as the .277 140 grain bullet, and its b.c. may not be better. If its the 150 grain bullet in the .280 what speed in a 24" barrel using a temperature stable powder is your accurate load getting?
You are seeing the proportional likeness/differences between the two.
In Factory ammo the 270 has the advantage MOST of the time. The 280 is not loaded to its potiential.
To an informed handloader the 270 - 280 is a Wash.
Bullets Trump Head stamp. .284 bullets have better BC. Period.
Which bullet in the .280 do you recommend over the .270 140 grain bullet? If its the 140 grain in the .280 then its sectional density won't be as good as the .277 140 grain bullet, and its b.c. may not be better. If its the 150 grain bullet in the .280 what speed in a 24" barrel using a temperature stable powder is your accurate load getting?
You are seeing the proportional likeness/differences between the two.
In Factory ammo the 270 has the advantage MOST of the time. The 280 is not loaded to its potiential.
To an informed handloader the 270 - 280 is a Wash.
Jerry
This the argument that the .280 is “superior” is minutia at best - this is what people really have to discuss? Give me a .270, .280, .30-06 or thereabouts and I won’t have an issue taking any game animal in NA.
Bullets Trump Head stamp. .284 bullets have better BC. Period.
Which bullet in the .280 do you recommend over the .270 140 grain bullet? If its the 140 grain in the .280 then its sectional density won't be as good as the .277 140 grain bullet, and its b.c. may not be better. If its the 150 grain bullet in the .280 what speed in a 24" barrel using a temperature stable powder is your accurate load getting?
You are seeing the proportional likeness/differences between the two.
In Factory ammo the 270 has the advantage MOST of the time. The 280 is not loaded to its potiential.
To an informed handloader the 270 - 280 is a Wash.
Jerry
This the argument that the .280 is “superior” is minutia at best - this is what people really have to discuss? Give me a .270, .280, .30-06 or thereabouts and I won’t have an issue taking any game animal in NA.
PennDog
Never knew there was an argument? Just a discussion of actual data....
Bullets Trump Head stamp. .284 bullets have better BC. Period.
Which bullet in the .280 do you recommend over the .270 140 grain bullet? If its the 140 grain in the .280 then its sectional density won't be as good as the .277 140 grain bullet, and its b.c. may not be better. If its the 150 grain bullet in the .280 what speed in a 24" barrel using a temperature stable powder is your accurate load getting?
You are seeing the proportional likeness/differences between the two.
In Factory ammo the 270 has the advantage MOST of the time. The 280 is not loaded to its potiential.
To an informed handloader the 270 - 280 is a Wash.
Jerry
This the argument that the .280 is “superior” is minutia at best - this is what people really have to discuss? Give me a .270, .280, .30-06 or thereabouts and I won’t have an issue taking any game animal in NA.
PennDog
Never knew there was an argument? Just a discussion of actual data....
I kinda like data driven cartridge discussions. Otherwise, why bother to talk about it at all.
Maybe resistance to that reinforces the OP's original post?
Bullets Trump Head stamp. .284 bullets have better BC. Period.
Which bullet in the .280 do you recommend over the .270 140 grain bullet? If its the 140 grain in the .280 then its sectional density won't be as good as the .277 140 grain bullet, and its b.c. may not be better. If its the 150 grain bullet in the .280 what speed in a 24" barrel using a temperature stable powder is your accurate load getting?
You are seeing the proportional likeness/differences between the two.
In Factory ammo the 270 has the advantage MOST of the time. The 280 is not loaded to its potiential.
To an informed handloader the 270 - 280 is a Wash.
Jerry
This the argument that the .280 is “superior” is minutia at best - this is what people really have to discuss? Give me a .270, .280, .30-06 or thereabouts and I won’t have an issue taking any game animal in NA.
PennDog
Never knew there was an argument? Just a discussion of actual data....
I kinda like data driven cartridge discussions. Otherwise, why bother to talk about it at all.
Maybe resistance to that reinforces the OP's original post?
Fact base / data driven. Without it, it is nothing but opinion and we all know what they're like...... Bungholes!
Bullets Trump Head stamp. .284 bullets have better BC. Period.
Which bullet in the .280 do you recommend over the .270 140 grain bullet? If its the 140 grain in the .280 then its sectional density won't be as good as the .277 140 grain bullet, and its b.c. may not be better. If its the 150 grain bullet in the .280 what speed in a 24" barrel using a temperature stable powder is your accurate load getting?
You are seeing the proportional likeness/differences between the two.
In Factory ammo the 270 has the advantage MOST of the time. The 280 is not loaded to its potiential.
To an informed handloader the 270 - 280 is a Wash.
Jerry
This the argument that the .280 is “superior” is minutia at best - this is what people really have to discuss? Give me a .270, .280, .30-06 or thereabouts and I won’t have an issue taking any game animal in NA.
PennDog
Never knew there was an argument? Just a discussion of actual data....
OK my bad - the “actual” data still shows minutia between the three (and all like them) at normal “hunting” distances. However, if this is what interests you by all means enjoy.
I'm an unbashful .270Win fan. That said, there's really nothing it does or doesn't do that can't be did or not-did by a dozen other cartridges with similar capacity and the same or very close projectile diameters and weights.
I have a pair of M70 SS Classic Fwt's that shoot 140gn TSX's @ 3030fps better than I'm capable of most days. I've taken game w/both of them out past 500yds. They shoot the same ammo so I'm able to grab a box of 50, both rifles, and it's a coin-flip for which is the primary and which is the backup. I can load ammo for them relatively quickly as I'm using Ramshot Hunter powder and have a tool-head set up to run them through a Dillon 550. Assuming I'm starting from prepped brass, I can prime/charge/seat a bullet on 100 rounds in ~15Min.
The 270 case feeds very smoothly through nearly any action brand/style. There's enough variety in projectile weight and construction to make it viable in pretty much any/every NA big-game situation. A 22" bbl is plenty to get anything/everything one wants/needs from a big game rifle and I find 22" to be very handy without being so short as to be also obscenely loud. In most 7.5-9# factory rifle configurations, the .270Win's recoil is very manageable as well.
I can walk on water.......................but I do stagger a bit on alcohol.
I'm an unbashful .270Win fan. That said, there's really nothing it does or doesn't do that can't be did or not-did by a dozen other cartridges with similar capacity and the same or very close projectile diameters and weights.
I have a pair of M70 SS Classic Fwt's that shoot 140gn TSX's @ 3030fps better than I'm capable of most days. I've taken game w/both of them out past 500yds. They shoot the same ammo so I'm able to grab a box of 50, both rifles, and it's a coin-flip for which is the primary and which is the backup. I can load ammo for them relatively quickly as I'm using Ramshot Hunter powder and have a tool-head set up to run them through a Dillon 550. Assuming I'm starting from prepped brass, I can prime/charge/seat a bullet on 100 rounds in ~15Min.
The 270 case feeds very smoothly through nearly any action brand/style. There's enough variety in projectile weight and construction to make it viable in pretty much any/every NA big-game situation. A 22" bbl is plenty to get anything/everything one wants/needs from a big game rifle and I find 22" to be very handy without being so short as to be also obscenely loud. In most 7.5-9# factory rifle configurations, the .270Win's recoil is very manageable as well.
Would you happen to know how much those featherweights weigh (just the bare rifle)? As you would probably know, J. O'C had two Model 70's in .270 with 22" barrels, one a featherweight which he replaced the alloy bottom metal with steel and the other a trimmed down Model 70. He said they were both 8 lbs scoped, but if he replaced the bottom metal on the featherweight with steel, I'm not sure how he got it to 8 lbs instead of say 8 1/4 lbs...unless the scope was extremely light.
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