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Re: The .270 Sharpsman #16380801 08/27/21
Joined: Aug 2021 Posts: 1,671 Likes: 3 R Riflehunter Campfire Regular
Riflehunter Campfire Regular R Joined: Aug 2021 Posts: 1,671 Likes: 3	If the bullet has a secant ogive, the seating depth may be critical, if a tangent or hybrid ogive it may still work.

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Re: The .270 Sharpsman #16380852 08/27/21
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,669 Likes: 42 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,669 Likes: 42 Paradise,Alaska	1000 words on throating,via Squared Smooch in same chamber(8" RPM Krieger),with different projectiles. Hint. 22BR no-turn,Lapooey hulls,.224" Hornie 75 ELD M and 69gr RMR BTHP. Hint. Just saying and the BC's ain't equal either. Hint. .224" 69gr Sugar on left,the aforementioned 69gr RMR on right. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!............... Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: The .270 lapua6547 #16380857 08/27/21
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,941 Pennsylvania P PennDog Campfire Regular
PennDog Campfire Regular P Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,941 Pennsylvania	Originally Posted by lapua6547 Originally Posted by jwall Originally Posted by lapua6547 Bullets Trump Head stamp. .284 bullets have better BC. Period. puah, I'm not being smart or sarcastic. I've looked thru THIS thread and don't see 'data' < unless it's in the other threads you posted. I don't have time to go thru all those. It appears PennDog did. Ok. Originally Posted by PennDog OK my bad - the “actual” data still shows minutia between the three (and all like them) at normal “hunting” distances. However, if this is what interests you by all means enjoy. PennDog FIRST of all. I have never bought 1 box of boutique bullets and I don't have need for them. For the last DECADE +, 400 yds is my REALISTIC hunting/shooting range. I stated early in this thread that the 270 - 280 is a wash. ^above P D "actual data still show minutia between the three...at normal hunting ranges." NORMAL hunting ranges is ALL I'm talking about and use. You said above, "284 bullets have better BC Period" In normal hunting bullets for normal ranges I have not found that. My loading books are dated (old). My newest is the Nosler #7. 277, 140 gr ---- .496 BC........,261 SD 284, 150 gr ---- .493 BC........,266 SD Nos. doesn't have a 130 .284 to compare to 140 .277 .. SO. I like and use H 162 BTSP in the 7 RM BUT nothing to compare BC & SD. I'm NOT cherry picking. If you push the 277 140 .496 BC at 3000, which I can/do AND If you push the 284 150 .493 BC at 3100, which I HAVE done the diff is minitua, The trajectory diff is a wash. Yes the 10 xtra grs 150 of the 284 shows up in KE but we understand the effect of KE. I know there are more and heavier bullets in the 284 bore but 160 grs is the heaviest I need. (I have a 7 RM & 300 WM & 8 RM for heavier) I have said many Xs over the years if you have a 270....you have a 280 and vice versa. For Me, the 280 offers no advantage, I don't DISLIKE it. I wrote a lot more THEN deleted it. I'm not writing a book LOL This states my take on the 270 - 280 discussion. Jerry Good morning my friend..... hope all is well with you. Me.... not so good. spitting up bloody shiitt from surgery. Lets make this simple: 280 case capacity - 67.9 gr .284 150gr eldx bc .574 BC https://www.hornady.com/bullets/rifle/7mm-.284-150-gr-eld-x#!/ 270 case capacity - 67 gr .270 145 eldx .536 BC https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/rifle/270-win-145-gr-eld-x-precision-hunter#!/ Kind of like my friends who are twin brothers - James and Gino. James is older by 5 min. He will always be the older brother. The .280 has a greater case capacity and higher BC bullet. Like James, the .280 is the older brother. However marginal, the numbers don't lie my friend.... If minutia is to be compared and to make it even more simple at least pick common weights (Nosler’s LRAB .277 150 grain has a G1 of 0.591 while the .284’s is 0.546)…and case capacity varies fairly wide across brands and within lots…….these are the facts not really sure how the “actual” data is pointing to any “superiority” for one over the other but what the hell do I know……I’ll just use dead animals for my “actual data”. PennDog

Re: The .270 Sharpsman #16380891 08/27/21
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 75,000 Likes: 5 Colorado L lapua6547 Campfire Oracle
lapua6547 Campfire Oracle L Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 75,000 Likes: 5 Colorado	These work well also... .650 bc https://patriotvalleyarms.com/flm-7mm-151gr-cayuga-hunting-bullets-50ct/ .770 bc https://patriotvalleyarms.com/flm-7mm-170gr-cayuga-hunting-bullets-50ct/

Re: The .270 PennDog #16380951 08/27/21
Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 1,313 L Llama_Bob Campfire Regular
Llama_Bob Campfire Regular L Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 1,313	Originally Posted by PennDog If minutia is to be compared and to make it even more simple at least pick common weights (Nosler’s LRAB .277 150 grain has a G1 of 0.591 while the .284’s is 0.546)… You are a walking commercial for the 27 Nosler, because that 150gr ABLR is designed to require the 1:8.5" twist of that cartridge. It can't be reliably used in a factory .270. There are no magic bore diameters, but there are twist rates that allow better performance. The .270, in Winchester's ignorance, got the wrong twist and sucks if any sort of distance is on the agenda. Of course the fangirls can't hear this about their crush, but it's true.

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Re: The .270 Llama_Bob #16380979 08/27/21
Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,524 Likes: 1 virginia G gene270 Campfire Tracker
gene270 Campfire Tracker G Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,524 Likes: 1 virginia	i have to wonder how they use to kill all those buffalo back in the day when they didnt have scopes and superior bullets....must be a myth I guess or maybe they new how to use their guns

Re: The .270 Llama_Bob #16380991 08/27/21
Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,970 Likes: 5 Missouri 1 10gaugemag Campfire Ranger
10gaugemag Campfire Ranger 1 Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,970 Likes: 5 Missouri	Originally Posted by Llama_Bob Originally Posted by PennDog If minutia is to be compared and to make it even more simple at least pick common weights (Nosler’s LRAB .277 150 grain has a G1 of 0.591 while the .284’s is 0.546)… You are a walking commercial for the 27 Nosler, because that 150gr ABLR is designed to require the 1:8.5" twist of that cartridge. It can't be reliably used in a factory .270. There are no magic bore diameters, but there are twist rates that allow better performance. The .270, in Winchester's ignorance, got the wrong twist and sucks if any sort of distance is on the agenda. Of course the fangirls can't hear this about their crush, but it's true. I doubt anybody was worried about fast twist rate with common bullet weights/designs and what we now consider "long range" in 1925. The same can be said of most cartridges out there if that's the case. Last edited by 10gaugemag; 08/27/21. The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!

Re: The .270 PennDog #16380996 08/27/21
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,669 Likes: 42 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,669 Likes: 42 Paradise,Alaska	You Drooling CLUELESS Fhuqktards are a hoot! "Mass" is largely meaningless. Hint. The 147 .264" ELD M has a BC of .697. That aero profile difference is farrrrr from "meaningless". Fhuqking hint. The .284" 180 ELD M has a .796 BC. Hint. The .284" 190 Beer Cans have a .838 BC. Hint. Pardon my simply shooting it all and then some,as you Fhuqktards "get" to Google it all. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: The .270 Sharpsman #16381025 08/27/21
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,941 Pennsylvania P PennDog Campfire Regular
PennDog Campfire Regular P Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,941 Pennsylvania	Lapua 6547 not really sure of your point there as I didn’t see a similar weighted .277 bullet that you were comparing (I get the standard .270 Win can’t go there at those weights) and Llama Bob I have had no trouble using the 150 ABLR in two of my .270s - I have heard of some having issues though. But my real point is with similar weight bullets - at normal hunting ranges - there is not enough difference between the two to justify a “superiority” claim and if “actual data” is used then the dead animals that I’ve taken and seen taken over the last 50 years (with both) supports they are equally effective when the bullets reach the vitals. I do like and have several of both along with plenty of.30-06s, 7X64s, and 7mm mags. PennDog Ahhh see Little Stix has joined the fray so this clueless (whatever adjective LS is using) is out👍 Last edited by PennDog; 08/27/21.

Re: The .270 PennDog #16381076 08/27/21
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 75,000 Likes: 5 Colorado L lapua6547 Campfire Oracle
lapua6547 Campfire Oracle L Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 75,000 Likes: 5 Colorado	Originally Posted by PennDog Lapua 6547 not really sure of your point there as I didn’t see a similar weighted .277 bullet that you were comparing (I get the standard .270 Win can’t go there at those weights) and Llama Bob I have had no trouble using the 150 ABLR in two of my .270s - I have heard of some having issues though. But my real point is with similar weight bullets - at normal hunting ranges - there is not enough difference between the two to justify a “superiority” claim and if “actual data” is used then the dead animals that I’ve taken and seen taken over the last 50 years (with both) supports they are equally effective when the bullets reach the vitals. I do like and have several of both along with plenty of.30-06s, 7X64s, and 7mm mags. PennDog Ahhh see Little Stix has joined the fray so this clueless (whatever adjective LS is using) is out👍 Never claimed superiority one time..... We are just merely debating cartridges and bullets. Just sharing info with fellow shooters. Only statement I made was the .280 has more case capacity than the .270 and has a higher bullet BC choice. Then as usual, it got twisted by others. I personally could give 270 shiitts what anyone hunts or shoots.... As long as you're doing one or the other, or both, life is good. But, while doing one or both, why not use and / all components in your favor??

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Re: The .270 Sharpsman #16381092 08/27/21
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 75,000 Likes: 5 Colorado L lapua6547 Campfire Oracle
lapua6547 Campfire Oracle L Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 75,000 Likes: 5 Colorado	Hell..... that freezer picture has been duplicated many times with the .22 caliber.

Re: The .270 Sharpsman #16381143 08/27/21
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,669 Likes: 42 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,669 Likes: 42 Paradise,Alaska	PentDont, You were REALLY doing "great" there for a bit...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? Here's to the fhuqking HILARITY of your being such a slllooowwwwwwwww fhuqking "Learner" and "thinking" that you were EVER "in". Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING! Here's to how exceptionally WELL founded your countless Insecurities are. Hint. Bless your heart for TRYING though! Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: The .270 lapua6547 #16381147 08/27/21
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,941 Pennsylvania P PennDog Campfire Regular
PennDog Campfire Regular P Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,941 Pennsylvania	Originally Posted by lapua6547 Originally Posted by PennDog Lapua 6547 not really sure of your point there as I didn’t see a similar weighted .277 bullet that you were comparing (I get the standard .270 Win can’t go there at those weights) and Llama Bob I have had no trouble using the 150 ABLR in two of my .270s - I have heard of some having issues though. But my real point is with similar weight bullets - at normal hunting ranges - there is not enough difference between the two to justify a “superiority” claim and if “actual data” is used then the dead animals that I’ve taken and seen taken over the last 50 years (with both) supports they are equally effective when the bullets reach the vitals. I do like and have several of both along with plenty of.30-06s, 7X64s, and 7mm mags. PennDog Ahhh see Little Stix has joined the fray so this clueless (whatever adjective LS is using) is out👍 Never claimed superiority one time..... We are just merely debating cartridges and bullets. Just sharing info with fellow shooters. Only statement I made was the .280 has more case capacity than the .270 and has a higher bullet BC choice. Then as usual, it got twisted by others. I personally could give 270 shiitts what anyone hunts or shoots.... As long as you're doing one or the other, or both, life is good. But, while doing one or both, why not use and / all components in your favor?? That is fair enough and point taken. PennDog

Re: The .270 Riflehunter #16381163 08/27/21
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas J jwall Campfire Ranger
jwall Campfire Ranger J Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas	R hunter Just joining us this month and having 60 posts, I don't think you've been around long enuff to know that "TWIG" is vertically challenged along with an Inferiority complex longing for acceptance. I call him Twig because IF he stands up TWICE, he casts 1/2 a shadow. Hang around long enuff and you'll see what I mean. Many, many of us either ignore him or insult him and he doesn't understand it. On another point, no one including me has the right to Condense or Compare and "leave it at that". I hope you hang around and join the fun and simply ignore the "TROLLS". There are more than one. Jerry Last edited by jwall; 08/27/21. jwall- * 3100 guy* A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!

Re: The .270 GRF #16381172 08/27/21
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas J jwall Campfire Ranger
jwall Campfire Ranger J Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas	GRF Isn't it amazing that the 270 W with such a Miserable Failure in concept and design has maintained it success rate and popularity since 1925. Let's see here, 2021 -1925,..... uhh that's 96 years ? I believe ? In another thread let's discuss other cartridges that haven't succeeded in even 25 yrs. Wonder Of Wonders, ain't it. LOL Jerry jwall- * 3100 guy* A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!

Re: The .270 lapua6547 #16381224 08/27/21
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas J jwall Campfire Ranger
jwall Campfire Ranger J Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas	Originally Posted by lapua6547 Never claimed superiority one time..... We are just merely debating cartridges and bullets. Just sharing info with fellow shooters. Originally Posted by lapua6547 Originally Posted by asheepdog .280 Remington for the WIN Absolutely! < 1 Originally Posted by lapua6547 The unpopular 280 Remington (ever seen or shot one?) can out-perform the highly respected 270 Winchester, 2 the historic 7x57mm Mauser, the modern-Mauser-replacement 7mm-08 Remington, 3 the 30-06 Springfield, 4 the sparkling 25-06 Remington, 5 and even that trendy of trendiness (dare I say it?), the 6.5 Creedmoor. 6 Matches or beats trajectory and energy of 270 Win. and 30-06 Springfield 7 With due respect puah, I humbly disagree with your first statement here. Tell me what's wrong with my math ? I count 7 Xs and I quit looking. BACK to my original position and has been many years. 270 Win > < 280 Rem is a Wash. Jerry Last edited by jwall; 08/28/21. jwall- * 3100 guy* A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!

Re: The .270 gene270 #16381330 08/27/21
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,560 Likes: 7 Calgary, AB, Canada Jordan Smith Campfire Outfitter
Jordan Smith Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,560 Likes: 7 Calgary, AB, Canada	Originally Posted by gene270 i have to wonder how they use to kill all those buffalo back in the day when they didnt have scopes and superior bullets....must be a myth I guess or maybe they new how to use their guns They got from A to B via horse-and-buggy, too, but that doesn't mean that the modern combustion engine isn't an advantage.

Re: The .270 Sharpsman #16381429 08/27/21
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,631 Likes: 1 Lethbridge Alberta G GRF Campfire Regular
GRF Campfire Regular G Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,631 Likes: 1 Lethbridge Alberta	Lapua: thanks for those links to those two very interesting bullets. The abundance of first rate product that are produced now is amazing.

Re: The .270 GRF #16381456 08/27/21
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 75,000 Likes: 5 Colorado L lapua6547 Campfire Oracle
lapua6547 Campfire Oracle L Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 75,000 Likes: 5 Colorado	Originally Posted by GRF Lapua: thanks for those links to those two very interesting bullets. The abundance of first rate product that are produced now is amazing. You're welcome. Josh who owns PVA makes some very good products. His prefit barrels are outstanding along with his bullets. With the technological advances in shooting over the past few years , none of us should ever miss our intended target! Last edited by lapua6547; 08/27/21.

Re: The .270 Sharpsman #16381568 08/27/21
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,669 Likes: 42 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,669 Likes: 42 Paradise,Alaska	jsquall, For a gal "claiming" Imaginary Pretend Ignore,you sure as fhuqk read ALL my Posts,you Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit and ain't that a hoot...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? Your version(s) of "knowledge","experience" and "results" are fhuqking hilarious! Same goes your "honesty","integrity" and "reality". Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING! The ONLY thing you "shoot" is your mouth and Imagination,you Whining CLUELESS Brokedick Fhuqktard. Hint. Pardon a mag fed 280 simply scooting a .838 BC Smooch at 2700fps. Google as you MUST. Hint. Bless your heart for trying. Don't "forget" that you "can't read" this. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

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