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Too busy chasing tail instead of shooting or knitting.

Ain't been to bed, at least for sleep, since yesterday.

Rut just about got me worn out!!

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Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
Too busy chasing tail instead of shooting or knitting.

Ain't been to bed since yesterday.

Rut just about got me worn out!!



Tough life....

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Originally Posted by lapua6547
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Too busy chasing tail instead of shooting or knitting.

Ain't been to bed since yesterday.

Rut just about got me worn out!!



Tough life....

Tell me about it.

I did load up some 30-270 ammo.

Just got done sizing some nickle plated '06 brass. Once that schitt is fired it will probably go in the trash can.

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Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
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Too busy chasing tail instead of shooting or knitting.

Ain't been to bed since yesterday.

Rut just about got me worn out!!



Tough life....

Tell me about it.

I did load up some 30-270 ammo.

Just got done sizing some nickle plated '06 brass. Once that schitt is fired it will probably go in the trash can.



Good deal. Wife and I just got back from a 4 mile walk. Hot aa Fuucckk outside. Time for lunch and dry firing off kitchen table.

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Got us a cool down today. Hopefully done with that mid to upper 90s stuff.


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Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
Got us a cool down today. Hopefully done with that mid to upper 90s stuff.



High heat and humidity gets old after a while. Bring on the fall and the rut!

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Let’s not forget milo Hansen buck was killed wit a so called crappy win 88 in 308
Another record don’t recall which one was killed with 25-20
Use what fits your most expected range and animal size

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Originally Posted by Riflehunter
Jordan, on page 19 in reference to the 147 ELD in your 6.5 CM you stated "MV stated to be 2567 fps". Now in the above post you are saying its 2700 fps. The discussion was using similar barrel lengths of 24" in the .270 and 6.5 CM so a comparison could be made. Which is the correct muzzle velocity you are getting, is it 2567 fps or 2700 fps? And with the 2700 fps what powder are you using in that 24" barrel that is temperature stable to get that and what amount of powder?

I was pretty clear in my initial comparison that the .270 Win 145 gr ELD-X and 6.5 CM 147 gr ELD-M were both factory loads, for a fair comparison, and the velocity on the 147 gr load is listed as 2567 fps.

In my rifles I shoot handloads using mainly H4350 and IMR4451, though I’ve got a good load with R26, as well.

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Originally Posted by rainierrifleco
Let’s not forget milo Hansen buck was killed wit a so called crappy win 88 in 308
Another record don’t recall which one was killed with 25-20
Use what fits your most expected range and animal size



Or any monster buck that was killed with an arrow

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Originally Posted by elkhunternm
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Originally Posted by jwall
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[quote=jwall]W/O exception ?

Hardly.


Jerry

Jerry,

With all due respect, I think you're missing my point. In the real world do heavier bullets always penetrate further than lighter ones? Well, no. There are many variables that affect penetration, and sometimes variables other than bullet mass dominate in the penetration outcome (expanded frontal surface area, for example).

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10 G quoted you saying something along this line.
"heavier bullets (in the same cal/cartridge) WILL ALWAYS do that. (penetrate further)

No Jerry, I did not say that. I pointed out the relationship between bullet mass and penetration; the trend that heavier bullets tend to penetrate deeper. That doesn’t mean that there can be no exceptions, but if other variables are controlled (which is rarely feasible, but illustrates the point), then the relationship will be clearly observed.

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Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
Originally Posted by jwall
Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
[quote=jwall]W/O exception ?

Hardly.


Jerry

Jerry,

With all due respect, I think you're missing my point. In the real world do heavier bullets always penetrate further than lighter ones? Well, no. There are many variables that affect penetration, and sometimes variables other than bullet mass dominate in the penetration outcome (expanded frontal surface area, for example).

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10 G quoted you saying something along this line.
"heavier bullets (in the same cal/cartridge) WILL ALWAYS do that. (penetrate further)

No Jerry, I did not say that. I pointed out the relationship between bullet mass and penetration; the trend that heavier bullets tend to penetrate deeper. That doesn’t mean that there can be no exceptions, but if other variables are controlled (which is rarely feasible, but illustrates the point), then the relationship will be clearly observed.

Sure, drag 10gauge into it!!


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Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
Originally Posted by jwall
Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
[quote=jwall]W/O exception ?

Hardly.


Jerry

Jerry,

With all due respect, I think you're missing my point. In the real world do heavier bullets always penetrate further than lighter ones? Well, no. There are many variables that affect penetration, and sometimes variables other than bullet mass dominate in the penetration outcome (expanded frontal surface area, for example).

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
10 G quoted you saying something along this line.
"heavier bullets (in the same cal/cartridge) WILL ALWAYS do that. (penetrate further)

No Jerry, I did not say that. I pointed out the relationship between bullet mass and penetration; the trend that heavier bullets tend to penetrate deeper. That doesn’t mean that there can be no exceptions, but if other variables are controlled (which is rarely feasible, but illustrates the point), then the relationship will be clearly observed.

Sure, drag 10gauge into it!!



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Originally Posted by lapua6547
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Let’s not forget milo Hansen buck was killed wit a so called crappy win 88 in 308
Another record don’t recall which one was killed with 25-20
Use what fits your most expected range and animal size



Or any monster buck that was killed with an arrow


It was the jorden buck.

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Originally Posted by lapua6547
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I enjoyed the Seex Kreed Salvage HiLux lash up,as that was some High Zoot stuff. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

I've never heard of a 110 Sugar though! Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

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I don't shoot 'em in 243 Win either! Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

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Since I live in THE Real World,I don't put much impetus on that which happens post TranSonic Slip. With a 110 Sugar,the erector correction is rather easily arranged(sub 31 Mil's),but the impact is 500yds+ away on the wrong side of the 'slip. Every (1) MPH of wind at said distance,is greater than a 36" windage offset. Pardon my shooting a smidge and just sayin'. 'Course everyone's atmosphere,is more forgiving than mine. That being said,I simply don't factor much of anything being a "given",beyond the 'slip. Hint.

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Not to steal the "Thunder" of you gals,getting to "shoot" your Imaginations and Pretend. Hint.

Bless your hearts for doing your best though.

Fhuqking heat Wave here too!

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Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...................


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Originally Posted by elkhunternm
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You got me laughing 😃 Elk ole buddy!

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Originally Posted by lapua6547
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6.5 Creedmoor is undersized for 6.5 bullets.


For hunting for adult shooters, I would agree. 6.5WSM or similar is much better. For the original application, it's fine.



Poking holes in paper or play GI Joe in tactical matches in full tactical clothing.


6mm Creedmoor is starting to be the dominate caliber

The 6 CM was extremely popular in practical-style rifle matches, but the 6BR and its variants are dominant in that arena now. The 6 CM burns too much powder, which leads to difficulty spotting shots because of recoil, and also shorter barrel life. I still shoot the 6 CM for these types of matches, but the trend is toward the BR family.

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Originally Posted by GRF
Lapua!!

A hit straight to the head of the nail

“ The .270 is a good " Old Timers" caliber.

Technology has surpassed it. Still kills. Mediocre at best in today's world 🌎”

But mediocre?!? Give me at least tolerable, acceptable, manageable some kind of word ending in able and miserable is not an acceptable option 😃

I agree technological improvements have helped all calibres and cartridges substantially “a high tide lifts all boats”

A serious question, coming from my complete ignorance of the cartridge, what is it about the 6mm CM that makes you so enthusiastic? How much of an uplift is there over the .243? Does the uplift show in ranges of 450 yards and less?

One of the drivers for the question is my daughter’s go to rifle is a Vanguard Camilla in .243, the number of rounds she puts down range practicing over the summers makes the likelihood of a new barrel in the next few years possible. Wondering if 6mm CM vs .243 would make sense when the time comes.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

George,

The main advantages of the 6 CM over the .243 are:

- shorter case length, so you can fit long, sleek bullets in a SA magazine
- abundance of quality brass and factory ammo
- factory twist rates are suitable for the sleek bullets available today
- less case trimming due to the steeper shoulder angle
- theoretically longer barrel life and fewer pressure excursions due to the steep shoulder and long neck, as well as slightly less case capacity

If rebarreling a hunting rifle, some of those factors are irrelevant, so you’ll have to decide if it’s worth it to you to switch.

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