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Originally Posted by jackmountain
Yep. The lies, manipulations, politicization, lack of basic reasoning etc… from BOTH sides is pathetic.





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Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Considering that 182 million Americans are fully vaccinated and 212 million Americans have had one dose, chances are, most of the folks dying from this point on (regardless of actual cause of death) can be illogically attributed to the vaccine.

This is much like blaming shoes for all American deaths because all Americans probably wear them.

This can be tested statistically very easily. If someone had access to reliable vaccination associated (even if only suspect) illness data they could easily test if there was any significance to the illnesses.

The government with a bottomless pit of fiat currency will not spend the effort or money to create a reliable database of vaccine illnesses.

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Originally Posted by Squidge
Interesting read on the vaccines and blood clots. There's something about the spike protein in both the vaccine or with a Covid-19 infection that can cause blood clots in some people, they still don't quite understand what is going on.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02291-2





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Originally Posted by Raspy
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Post hoc ergo propter hoc.


Is that drug dealer talk?


Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc. Description: The argument offers an explanation, based on a temporal ordering of the events, that confuses co-occurrence with causality: A happened just before B, so A caused B. Comments: The Latin phrase "post hoc ergo propter hoc" means "after this, therefore because of this."

A very good explanation. Thank you.


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The huge issue is that, while there are obvious problems with the mRNA tech, giving everyone, even end of life hospice patients etc, the vaccine blurs the data.

I personally think it's on purpose.

But, right now, both sides of this are cherry picking data and selectively omitting data. I pretty much said fuuck it after the CDC made the Cleveland Clinic alter it's vaccine recommendation.

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Originally Posted by killerv
Originally Posted by Squidge
Interesting read on the vaccines and blood clots. There's something about the spike protein in both the vaccine or with a Covid-19 infection that can cause blood clots in some people, they still don't quite understand what is going on.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02291-2





Friends mother died from a clot going to her brain after her first shot, two weeks after the jab....dead.






Man, do I hate hearing these stories.


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Originally Posted by smokepole

But to say that the US government has sponsored and implemented a vaccination program designed to kill and injure as many people as possible is idiotic. And it just lends credence to the left's contention that anti-vaxxers are kooks. I've seen mention of the KOTY award on here many times, but I think it's time to break out the KOTC award.

In ten years, you'll be marveling at how TRH had it right way back in 2021.

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Originally Posted by local_dirt
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Interesting read on the vaccines and blood clots. There's something about the spike protein in both the vaccine or with a Covid-19 infection that can cause blood clots in some people, they still don't quite understand what is going on.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02291-2





Friends mother died from a clot going to her brain after her first shot, two weeks after the jab....dead.






Man, do I hate hearing these stories.


What was sad is that these folks were freaking out scared over the virus. She lived with them, took their son out of school and he did online in order for him not to possibly bring it home to her. They were so excited when the vax came out, she was one of the first I knew to get it. Her other son is a doctor and had her flown to his hospital and he was hands on doing everything to save her life. Sad. Great family.

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All you can do at this point is make the best decision you can on the information you trust and hope its not based on fear , lies, or paranoia.


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Originally Posted by Triggernosis
My 41 yr old niece, a high-level trauma nurse, died from a heart attack a few weeks after getting the Covid vaccination.

Sorry to hear it. Can you please specify which jab was involved, if known?


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It’s pretty simple for me. It comes down to two factors. First, I know my risks with Covid and I find them perfectly acceptable. Therefore, even if I believed that the vaccine was one hundred percent safe, I wouldn’t feel particularly motivated to get the shot. But since I know that no vaccine is completely safe, I feel no need to take on the additional risk of a vaccine. Secondly, it is well established and even admitted by the CDC that the vaccine does nothing to moderate the spread of the disease. Therefore, I have no public responsibility to take the vaccine.

These points are entirely logical and unassailable. Therefore, I view any attempt to argue against them with suspicion. Any attempt to do so, is at very best misguided but quite possibly maliciously motivated. The more strident those who would seek to change my mind become, the less I trust them. The less I trust them, the more unlikely it is that I will ever get the shot.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
It’s pretty simple for me. It comes down to two factors. First, I know my risks with Covid and I find them perfectly acceptable. Therefore, even if I believed that the vaccine was one hundred percent safe, I wouldn’t feel particularly motivated to get the shot. But since I know that no vaccine is completely safe, I feel no need to take on the additional risk of a vaccine. Secondly, it is well established and even admitted by the CDC that the vaccine does nothing to moderate the spread of the disease. Therefore, I have no public responsibility to take the vaccine.

These points are entirely logical and unassailable. Therefore, I view any attempt to argue against them with suspicion. Any attempt to do so, is at very best misguided but quite possibly maliciously motivated. The more strident those who would seek to change my mind become, the less I trust them. The less I trust them, the more unlikely it is that I will ever get the shot.


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Originally Posted by Raspy
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Originally Posted by Pharmseller
Post hoc ergo propter hoc.


Is that drug dealer talk?


Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc. Description: The argument offers an explanation, based on a temporal ordering of the events, that confuses co-occurrence with causality: A happened just before B, so A caused B. Comments: The Latin phrase "post hoc ergo propter hoc" means "after this, therefore because of this."

Latin does not make something profound or intelligent.

Truth is, cause very, very, very often does precede event. So who gives a sht if someone comes up with a Latin phrase to obscure this obvious truth.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
It’s pretty simple for me. It comes down to two factors. First, I know my risks with Covid and I find them perfectly acceptable. Therefore, even if I believed that the vaccine was one hundred percent safe, I wouldn’t feel particularly motivated to get the shot. But since I know that no vaccine is completely safe, I feel no need to take on the additional risk of a vaccine. Secondly, it is well established and even admitted by the CDC that the vaccine does nothing to moderate the spread of the disease. Therefore, I have no public responsibility to take the vaccine.

These points are entirely logical and unassailable. Therefore, I view any attempt to argue against them with suspicion. Any attempt to do so, is at very best misguided but quite possibly maliciously motivated. The more strident those who would seek to change my mind become, the less I trust them. The less I trust them, the more unlikely it is that I will ever get the shot.


Well said.

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I think that is very well said.

Any problem with those who've chosen otherwise based upon their own risk analysis? Serious question with no malice.

Originally Posted by JoeBob
It’s pretty simple for me. It comes down to two factors. First, I know my risks with Covid and I find them perfectly acceptable. Therefore, even if I believed that the vaccine was one hundred percent safe, I wouldn’t feel particularly motivated to get the shot. But since I know that no vaccine is completely safe, I feel no need to take on the additional risk of a vaccine. Secondly, it is well established and even admitted by the CDC that the vaccine does nothing to moderate the spread of the disease. Therefore, I have no public responsibility to take the vaccine.

These points are entirely logical and unassailable. Therefore, I view any attempt to argue against them with suspicion. Any attempt to do so, is at very best misguided but quite possibly maliciously motivated. The more strident those who would seek to change my mind become, the less I trust them. The less I trust them, the more unlikely it is that I will ever get the shot.



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Darn. Now i have to find another conspiracy theory to believe in. Another one has been proven true.


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But to say that the US government has sponsored and implemented a vaccination program designed to kill and injure as many people as possible is idiotic. ...



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Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
I think that is very well said.

Any problem with those who've chosen otherwise based upon their own risk analysis? Serious question with no malice.

Originally Posted by JoeBob
It’s pretty simple for me. It comes down to two factors. First, I know my risks with Covid and I find them perfectly acceptable. Therefore, even if I believed that the vaccine was one hundred percent safe, I wouldn’t feel particularly motivated to get the shot. But since I know that no vaccine is completely safe, I feel no need to take on the additional risk of a vaccine. Secondly, it is well established and even admitted by the CDC that the vaccine does nothing to moderate the spread of the disease. Therefore, I have no public responsibility to take the vaccine.

These points are entirely logical and unassailable. Therefore, I view any attempt to argue against them with suspicion. Any attempt to do so, is at very best misguided but quite possibly maliciously motivated. The more strident those who would seek to change my mind become, the less I trust them. The less I trust them, the more unlikely it is that I will ever get the shot.




Problem? No. Though I doubt many of them actually did a risk analysis, because if they did, 99% of people would decide as I have.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
I think that is very well said.

Any problem with those who've chosen otherwise based upon their own risk analysis? Serious question with no malice.

Originally Posted by JoeBob
It’s pretty simple for me. It comes down to two factors. First, I know my risks with Covid and I find them perfectly acceptable. Therefore, even if I believed that the vaccine was one hundred percent safe, I wouldn’t feel particularly motivated to get the shot. But since I know that no vaccine is completely safe, I feel no need to take on the additional risk of a vaccine. Secondly, it is well established and even admitted by the CDC that the vaccine does nothing to moderate the spread of the disease. Therefore, I have no public responsibility to take the vaccine.

These points are entirely logical and unassailable. Therefore, I view any attempt to argue against them with suspicion. Any attempt to do so, is at very best misguided but quite possibly maliciously motivated. The more strident those who would seek to change my mind become, the less I trust them. The less I trust them, the more unlikely it is that I will ever get the shot.




Problem? No. Though I doubt many of them actually did a risk analysis, because if they did, 99% of people would decide as I have.

Fair enough. Thanks for the response.

Regarding 99% agreement with your choice, would that be those who possessed the same information and had the same personal risk factors as yourself, or literally 99% of all persons? Fot instance 90+% of physicians, my 82 year old step-father, all 50 sitting governors, Mr and Mrs Trump. One percenters or just those of differing circumstances? No malice. I agree 100% with what you wrote previously. To each his own, there's nothing more important.


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