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Absolutely, the economic damage caused by the governments response to covid will take some time to recover from.
I meant that I'm not overly worried about the health aspect or fear of projected loss of freedoms. I'll wear a mask if they want me to, and I'll do the social distancing etc because it's not going to be like this forever. The rules have cyclically relaxed during the course of the last year and a half - and have always tended towards how life used to be.
The unknown scares people and it's going to be the end of the world, but it never is. We go through disease and economic hardships but we get out of it eventually. How many times has the world supposed to have ended? Huh? The restrictions have 'cyclically relaxed' and 'tended to how life used to be'? What, vaccine mandates or being forced out of employment in a growing range of sectors? Longer and harder lockdowns than anytime since the pandemic started? Thats the life that used to be? And the discussion is not 'the world ending' its 'economic impoverishment' which happens all the time. 3/4 of the world, 160 countries in the 2nd and 3rd world in fact live this reality due to poor policies, bad leaders or just bad decisions. There is no written rule that the 1st world can do whatever it wants and miraculously right itself, unless you know something we dont. Frankly any damage to the next generations chance of owning a home is way too much damage already.
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Well that's actually what normal life is. Population increase is driving up the price of housing. Technology is leading to loss of privacy, and will more and more lead to loss of jobs via Artificial Intellgence. Politicians make bad decisions.
The lockdowns in QLD have been less severe than other states, although the border closures have been rediculous and extra damaging, so that's my viewpoint.
In my mind, the job losses caused by failing to submit to vaccination for example, will be a job market re-shuffle but will settle out. Just like all the recessions that we've had. There will be people willing to get vaccinated to take up those new job requirements - right or wrong morally but this will be a fact.
I've had my job made redundant several years ago, along with many others at that time. Wasn't pleasant and I was out of work for 8 months, but I got back into it.
I might be overly optimistic but employment levels may bounce back quicker than feared once things start cranking up again. The reason I say this is that I'm an engineer and our workload during the pandemic has been constant and plentiful and some sectors are booming. So there is still major money being spent.
What happens to fix the financial hole caused by the shutdowns, I don't know but I think it is wise to consider where youre savings may be held. I don't really think any banks will collapse, like in a recession, but the government only guaranteed protection for a capped amount. Maybe the government will be looking at peoples account holdings for some debt recovery funding program or something, although they might be more likely to apply an additional loading to a more widespread common payment such as vehicle registration or medicare levy or something. They've done it before, they'll do it again. Sadly, there's no way out.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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Well that's actually what normal life is. Population increase is driving up the price of housing. Technology is leading to loss of privacy, and will more and more lead to loss of jobs via Artificial Intellgence. Politicians make bad decisions.
The lockdowns in QLD have been less severe than other states, although the border closures have been rediculous and extra damaging, so that's my viewpoint.
In my mind, the job losses caused by failing to submit to vaccination for example, will be a job market re-shuffle but will settle out. Just like all the recessions that we've had. There will be people willing to get vaccinated to take up those new job requirements - right or wrong morally but this will be a fact.
I've had my job made redundant several years ago, along with many others at that time. Wasn't pleasant and I was out of work for 8 months, but I got back into it.
I might be overly optimistic but employment levels may bounce back quicker than feared once things start cranking up again. The reason I say this is that I'm an engineer and our workload during the pandemic has been constant and plentiful and some sectors are booming. So there is still major money being spent.
What happens to fix the financial hole caused by the shutdowns, I don't know but I think it is wise to consider where youre savings may be held. I don't really think any banks will collapse, like in a recession, but the government only guaranteed protection for a capped amount. Maybe the government will be looking at peoples account holdings for some debt recovery funding program or something, although they might be more likely to apply an additional loading to a more widespread common payment such as vehicle registration or medicare levy or something. They've done it before, they'll do it again. Sadly, there's no way out. Lockdowns less severe than southern states...only because Queensland is twenty years behind the rest of us. Don't worry, you will catch up.
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Well that's actually what normal life is. Population increase is driving up the price of housing. Technology is leading to loss of privacy, and will more and more lead to loss of jobs via Artificial Intellgence. Politicians make bad decisions.
The lockdowns in QLD have been less severe than other states, although the border closures have been rediculous and extra damaging, so that's my viewpoint.
In my mind, the job losses caused by failing to submit to vaccination for example, will be a job market re-shuffle but will settle out. Just like all the recessions that we've had. There will be people willing to get vaccinated to take up those new job requirements - right or wrong morally but this will be a fact.
I've had my job made redundant several years ago, along with many others at that time. Wasn't pleasant and I was out of work for 8 months, but I got back into it.
I might be overly optimistic but employment levels may bounce back quicker than feared once things start cranking up again. The reason I say this is that I'm an engineer and our workload during the pandemic has been constant and plentiful and some sectors are booming. So there is still major money being spent.
What happens to fix the financial hole caused by the shutdowns, I don't know but I think it is wise to consider where youre savings may be held. I don't really think any banks will collapse, like in a recession, but the government only guaranteed protection for a capped amount. Maybe the government will be looking at peoples account holdings for some debt recovery funding program or something, although they might be more likely to apply an additional loading to a more widespread common payment such as vehicle registration or medicare levy or something. They've done it before, they'll do it again. Sadly, there's no way out. Lockdowns less severe than southern states...only because Queensland is twenty years behind the rest of us. Don't worry, you will catch up. I don't think we will - our beloved Anna won't let us play with the neighbours over the border, even to swap chrissy presents. Must keep destroying those border businesses I guess.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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I don't think we will - our beloved Anna won't let us play with the neighbours over the border, even to swap chrissy presents. Must keep destroying those border businesses I guess.
Yeah I know...and I kinda miss the meat pies in barky.
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In my mind, the job losses caused by failing to submit to vaccination for example, will be a job market re-shuffle but will settle out. Just like all the recessions that we've had. There will be people willing to get vaccinated to take up those new job requirements - right or wrong morally but this will be a fact.
Job market reshuffle?The whole precept of free country status and the only thing that separates us from 3rd world dumps and 2nd world police states is the right not to segregate or disempower entire sectors of people for any reason. Good heavens, they have just told most of the workers in multiple states they must submit to a medical procedure or be denied the human rights to pursue employment of choice and travel freely. The Soviets couldnt even pull that off. 9 out of 10 african dictators wish they could lol. If someone would have said to me two years ago we were going to stop the world over a virus that has a 99% survival rate and enforce medical procedures on pain of disenfrachisement I would have said on all counts you have been reading too many 1950's distopian novels But here we are. All for something that after two years and all its super variants... is still struggling to kill more people than diaorhea globally.
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Yep. And the death rates are going to take off once we reopen again. The vaccines aren't 100% effective and there are people who are just more vulnerable than others, and the shutdowns have, including the economic damage, only delayed the inevitable.
Given the idiotic governments, and the low infection rates, I think there may be a risk of re-closures in QLD and WA after the pending re-opening. At least now Jeanette is in the process of fucking off from the CHO position, so maybe there is chance for some common sense moving forward here in QLD.
I reckon NSW will open and stay open but then again Gladys is gone so that might cloud things up a bit.
How long will vaccination be a requirement for employment?
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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Ultimately most of us are just sitting and watching, but we will respond when comments are made by others - generally from those in the US in the general HC forum.
We see the news, have a few choice words and then move on. I don't see any long term threatening situations developing - it'll blow over to some extent. Maybe we are too laid back and don't worry enough? Kind of like your gun confiscation? lol. That was pretty laid back Unfortunately there are enough useful idiots in Australia now that the changes wi e permanent. About as laid back as the time you marched on Washington with all your mates brandishing arms to remedy the stolen election, and that time you held off all those federal troops that were shutting down the businesses because of covid...then there is the time you single handily held of all those Haitians with your AR15. Man...you were a SUPERHERO...you even made the news here...seriously, it bought a tear to my eye. See, this snide crap cuts both ways...so how about you pull your head in and be polite. No one went to the Capital with firearms…..
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Ultimately most of us are just sitting and watching, but we will respond when comments are made by others - generally from those in the US in the general HC forum.
We see the news, have a few choice words and then move on. I don't see any long term threatening situations developing - it'll blow over to some extent. Maybe we are too laid back and don't worry enough? Kind of like your gun confiscation? lol. That was pretty laid back Unfortunately there are enough useful idiots in Australia now that the changes wi e permanent. About as laid back as the time you marched on Washington with all your mates brandishing arms to remedy the stolen election, and that time you held off all those federal troops that were shutting down the businesses because of covid...then there is the time you single handily held of all those Haitians with your AR15. Man...you were a SUPERHERO...you even made the news here...seriously, it bought a tear to my eye. See, this snide crap cuts both ways...so how about you pull your head in and be polite. Our problems pale in light of yours, but it is nice of you to think of us. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/NG4Y70pF/Screenshot-2021-11-26-at-13-59-28-Australia-is-rounding-up-Aboriginal-people-into-camps.png)
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Ultimately most of us are just sitting and watching, but we will respond when comments are made by others - generally from those in the US in the general HC forum.
We see the news, have a few choice words and then move on. I don't see any long term threatening situations developing - it'll blow over to some extent. Maybe we are too laid back and don't worry enough? Kind of like your gun confiscation? lol. That was pretty laid back Unfortunately there are enough useful idiots in Australia now that the changes wi e permanent. About as laid back as the time you marched on Washington with all your mates brandishing arms to remedy the stolen election, and that time you held off all those federal troops that were shutting down the businesses because of covid...then there is the time you single handily held of all those Haitians with your AR15. Man...you were a SUPERHERO...you even made the news here...seriously, it bought a tear to my eye. See, this snide crap cuts both ways...so how about you pull your head in and be polite. Our problems pale in light of yours, but it is nice of you to think of us. I don't know what brand of turps you are currently imbibing but please get back to us the first thing when you sober up. Thanks.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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Ultimately most of us are just sitting and watching, but we will respond when comments are made by others - generally from those in the US in the general HC forum.
We see the news, have a few choice words and then move on. I don't see any long term threatening situations developing - it'll blow over to some extent. Maybe we are too laid back and don't worry enough? Kind of like your gun confiscation? lol. That was pretty laid back Unfortunately there are enough useful idiots in Australia now that the changes wi e permanent. About as laid back as the time you marched on Washington with all your mates brandishing arms to remedy the stolen election, and that time you held off all those federal troops that were shutting down the businesses because of covid...then there is the time you single handily held of all those Haitians with your AR15. Man...you were a SUPERHERO...you even made the news here...seriously, it bought a tear to my eye. See, this snide crap cuts both ways...so how about you pull your head in and be polite. Our problems pale in light of yours, but it is nice of you to think of us. I don't know what brand of turps you are currently imbibing but please get back to us the first thing when you sober up. Thanks. Well when you solve the quarantine camps issue please tell us what fixed the issue.
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Well when you solve the quarantine camps issue please tell us what fixed the issue.
When you get to actually vote for a legitimate government you be sure to get back to us.
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Well when you solve the quarantine camps issue please tell us what fixed the issue.
When you get to actually vote for a legitimate government you be sure to get back to us. So yours is legitimate? You voted for quarantine camps? Interesting.
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No one went to the Capital with firearms…..
That was the point of the post...that not one single big mouth piece of s hit did a single thing, the exact same turds that insist we should. As always the mouthy twats are full of crap.
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Well when you solve the quarantine camps issue please tell us what fixed the issue.
When you get to actually vote for a legitimate government you be sure to get back to us. So yours is legitimate? You voted for quarantine camps? Interesting. I voted for a conservative government and got that...you got sh it-his-pants and rough-knees. Interesting that you think that is fine.
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Ultimately most of us are just sitting and watching, but we will respond when comments are made by others - generally from those in the US in the general HC forum.
We see the news, have a few choice words and then move on. I don't see any long term threatening situations developing - it'll blow over to some extent. Maybe we are too laid back and don't worry enough? Kind of like your gun confiscation? lol. That was pretty laid back Unfortunately there are enough useful idiots in Australia now that the changes wi e permanent. About as laid back as the time you marched on Washington with all your mates brandishing arms to remedy the stolen election, and that time you held off all those federal troops that were shutting down the businesses because of covid...then there is the time you single handily held of all those Haitians with your AR15. Man...you were a SUPERHERO...you even made the news here...seriously, it bought a tear to my eye. See, this snide crap cuts both ways...so how about you pull your head in and be polite. Our problems pale in light of yours, but it is nice of you to think of us. I don't know what brand of turps you are currently imbibing but please get back to us the first thing when you sober up. Thanks. Well when you solve the quarantine camps issue please tell us what fixed the issue. Okay, will do rickhead. Just keep sending us reminders and we'll give you the update you are so desperate for. But only if you promise to try and stop shi tting your pants all the time and licking windows.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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Well when you solve the quarantine camps issue please tell us what fixed the issue.
When you get to actually vote for a legitimate government you be sure to get back to us. So yours is legitimate? You voted for quarantine camps? Interesting. So, the US government always act according to the wishes of the people? Elected officials in the US never lie or do the wrong? Being elected to represent the people, you can trust them to act honorably?
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The lockdowns and mass injections will in all likelihood be recognised as among the worst things that could have been done.
Sure, we should have protected the elderly and other vulnerable people, but for the vast majority the virus represented minimal risk, especially in its initial strain. It was inevitable that it would spread, sooner or later, and if it had done so we would by now have a population with true herd immunity - lasting, robust immunity - derived from having had the virus. Yes, there would have been deaths, but we have had deaths anyway, particularly due to a sharp increase in suicide, and that suicide wave continues as people's livelihoods and hope are destroyed.
It is already emerging that the mRNA and viral vector injections - they are not vaccines - have not been a lasting success. They don't prevent infection or transmission, their protective effect is fast waning, and it appears that they have fostered the emergence of new strains for which they don't provide protection. At the same time they appear to damage the body's natural defences and may even enhance the effects of new strains on the body, and we don't yet know the full extent of the long-term damage that they may do.
As well, the makers of these drugs have insisted that countries taking them agree not only to indemnify them completely against any liability for harm, but actively to suppress competition from other therapeutics, like Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine, and to take all steps they can to compel people to accept the injections. It has been vastly profitable for them.
The whole thing has been a debacle.
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The lockdowns and mass injections will in all likelihood be recognised as among the worst things that could have been done.
Sure, we should have protected the elderly and other vulnerable people, but for the vast majority the virus represented minimal risk, especially in its initial strain. It was inevitable that it would spread, sooner or later, and if it had done so we would by now have a population with true herd immunity - lasting, robust immunity - derived from having had the virus. Yes, there would have been deaths, but we have had deaths anyway, particularly due to a sharp increase in suicide, and that suicide wave continues as people's livelihoods and hope are destroyed.
It is already emerging that the mRNA and viral vector injections - they are not vaccines - have not been a lasting success. They don't prevent infection or transmission, their protective effect is fast waning, and it appears that they have fostered the emergence of new strains for which they don't provide protection. At the same time they appear to damage the body's natural defences and may even enhance the effects of new strains on the body, and we don't yet know the full extent of the long-term damage that they may do.
As well, the makers of these drugs have insisted that countries taking them agree not only to indemnify them completely against any liability for harm, but actively to suppress competition from other therapeutics, like Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine, and to take all steps they can to compel people to accept the injections. It has been vastly profitable for them.
The whole thing has been a debacle.
. Woah! Mouser dont like the horse paste medicine! UpTheBot, I got nothing against the horse paste, I just simply don't own any horses.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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UpTheBot, I got nothing against the horse paste, I just simply don't own any horses. Really?….where’s all the horseshit that you’re constantly spewing come from then?….DBT, definitely but not all of it? It’s hard to believe that in light of the horseshit you spew and the fact that you and your other half here are a couple of complete horses asses I think you have the other better halves of yourselves permanently hidden away. 🖕😂
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