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Remember when snoop dogg dissed gene autry and pat boone?

Lol.

She may not of been responsible for the "live" ammo that was brought to the set, but she's solely responsible for the guns that fire said ammo. Considering it was widely known they were plinking "live" ammo in between scenes, she certainly wasn't controlling the situation nor weapons.

I am well removed from movie sets. But I dislike seeing empty chambers in westerns. And wonder about the keith bullets that can be seen in chambers in other movies. One thing is you csn see only 4 of the 6 holes

Solely responsible? Nope

I saw the video interview John Schneider did. He may have had different experience than I did in the film industry, but what he described, I never saw.

Working as an armorer, per scene, I made an open display of loading and checking the guns, and made sure both the shooter, and shootee were paying attention. Then supervised the scene for safety, and immediately after the cut, took possession of the guns and unloaded and secured them until needed again. Different movies, different needs.

Here's a Stembridge movie blank. This is what most all westerns in both TV and movies were filmed with for decades. Stembridge rented out movie guns and sold blanks, etc.

This is a 5 in 1 movie blank. Full load. You can tell that by the end of the blank. They were marked "F" for full load, "1/2" or "1/4" at the end. Black powder load. Still dangerous when fired.

The spent rounds were great for filling loops in gunbelts. Looked real enough from camera distance, and you could tell at a glance if they were live rounds, or not, or fired or not.

This one isn't fired. (I still have many rounds of blanks, etc.)



No case markings at all.



Indicates "Full load"

And neither was the producer or director.....and since some, allegedly, have said that the set was "unsafe" then their failure to act (if true) may (or may not) absolve her actions (or lack of action).

How old was this armorer?

Solely responsible? Wonder if that terminology is in her employment contract.....

But as the armorer she is solely responsible for the weapons use, security, ammo, and function. Was she solely responsible for the "incident" ?, no....more than 1 person fugged up for sure.

That 5 in 1 blank was the reason most movies and films only used rifles that would fire them, such as Winchester 73's or Winchester 92's.

Those would fire the 5 in 1's very well.

They called them 5 in 1's because they would fire in 38-40 and 44-40 rifle and revolver, and a 45 Colt pistol.

Ok, so if they did it the way you did, Alec just took the word of the armorer, an armorer that had already screwed up more than once. My point is the armorer isn’t the only one at fault and Baldwin has a large amount of blame.

I don’t have the slightest about how it’s actually done, I can only apply some basic common sense of how it should be done.

Baldwin is completely responsible for hiring her incompetent ass.

Baldwin, the snowflake armorer, and the AD were all 3 negligent.

I'm not disagreeing with you, just stating some known facts. 2 people handled the gun before Baldwin, armorer & Assistant director...then gave to Baldwin while yelling "COLD GUN".

So hang Baldwin by his ballz, I don't care....but get the noose ready for the armourer and Ass. Directors necks.


Press conference coming on soon with new info, that may tell us more.

Considering there were 6 producers on the Rust film, do we know Baldwin hired the armorer ?

“The six credited producers on the independent film ‘Rust,’ Ryan Smith, Alec Baldwin, Nathan Klingher, Ryan Winterstern, Matt DelPiano and Anjul Nigam, collectively have more than 35 years’ experience producing small to mid-level film and television projects,”

How closely are the screen actors guild recommendations concerning firearms followed?

The main producer (who financed and oversaw the pre production, filming and post production is the main one.

From what I see, that is Baldwin.

SAG deals with actor's deal memo's and working conditions. So they may have a wish-list on gun safety issues.

But mostly they probably dictate that a dedicated, qualified armorer is present and supervising all firearm scenes.

SAG's just a union like any other union.

I saw a behind-the-scenes episode of Breaking Bad that discussed killing Mike, the fixer. Remember how Walter shoots Mike through the car window? All special effects. Not even blanks.

That's CGI, and being widely used in many films and TV shows...the future of guns in the film industry, and obviously safer than the abortion that took place on Rust.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J0-ZatDHug

Would anybody with half a brain want this obnoxious drunk anywhere near a firearm of any kind? Hang him by the balls!