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(Blank) grains of lead, at (blank) fps, from a (blank) lb rifle is exactly the same, no matter what the head stamp says.
Marketing hits a home run sometime. 6.5 manbun is about getting there same velocity, better BC with a lighter, but longer bullet and less powder though. 😉 Magic, obviously. I shot Palma. .308 had literally twice the wind drift at 800-1000 that my 6mmCM had at the same distances, same value wind. Magic? Nah, but easier? Heck yeah. 😉
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Don't let the man-bun sportin wanna be poser discourage you from owning a 6.5 Creedmoor, it is an intelligent cartridge design
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My 6.5 is a Kimber Hunter and it kicks as hard as my Ruger Hawkeye stainless laminated .308 and almost as much as my Rem 700 in .270. The Ruger and Remington probably weighs 2 lb. more than the Kimber. I sure do like carrying the Kimber better.
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In the realm of felt recoil I really don’t think many people fully appreciate proper stock fit.
Makes all the difference in the world. Bought a model 7 customUL off here for my son. All up with scope was sub 6 lbs. At the 1400 yard range my buddy has in E Carolina and everyone shot it exactly once. Meanwhile we blew through 210 gr rounds in 12 lbs 308s(no surprise) but what was a surprise, perceived recoil on the 30-378 abd 338 LM had us all fighting for turns. Crazy how a little weight and friendly ergos change perception.
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The 6.5 Creedmoor is basically a short action clone of the 6.5 sweede. That cartridge has been around since the 1890's . It is arguably the most popular cartridge in Europe. Why? Because it is a very efficient, and effective round. I have never shot a Creedmoor, but I would NEVER get rid of my Sweede. And there is next to No recoil.
Last edited by Twopatch; 11/01/21. Reason: Added a thought
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The 147/143 CM on a Montana platform isn’t horrible but ain’t for wives and kids. I’d like a 6.5 CM in a Ridgeline. Those soak up recoil well IMO. I like that weight a lot.
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The 6.5 Creedmoor is basically a short action clone of the 6.5 sweede. That cartridge has been around since the 1890's . It is arguably the most popular cartridge in Europe. Why? Because it is a very efficient, and effective round. I have never shot a Creedmoor, but I would NEVER get rid of my Sweede. And there is next to No recoil. No it's not.... but nice try
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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(Blank) grains of lead, at (blank) fps, from a (blank) lb rifle is exactly the same, no matter what the head stamp says.
Marketing hits a home run sometime. Pretty much it. Powder charge and burn rates play a small factor, but yeah, no escaping physics. Like you said, there is no magic in a head stamp.
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Shotguns are another.
For some reason an ounce of 6’s at 1250fps in a 12ga are too much for some game, with that 12ga recoil, but just right in a 20.
Choke and shot pattern aside, it’s still and ounce of #6 shot at like velocity.
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6.5 cm is a fine little cartridge...like many others. Hopefully it will survive the douchebag bandwagon.
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In the realm of felt recoil I really don’t think many people fully appreciate proper stock fit.
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The 416 Rem is a fine small game rifle. A 350 gr TSX is quite versatile.
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(Blank) grains of lead, at (blank) fps, from a (blank) lb rifle is exactly the same, no matter what the head stamp says.
Marketing hits a home run sometime. Not quite. You've neglected momentum of the propellant. Given that the propellant (in the form of gaseous product of the combustion) heads downrange, it contributes to the recoil, and more than many think. In fact tweaking the propellant mass, such as by going to a faster-burning propellant (and hence using less of it) can make a measurable difference to recoil. For example, if you want to drive a 140 gn bullet at about 2600 fps, you could load your 7 lb 6.5 Creedmoor with, say, 34 gn of H4895, for a calculated 12.9 ft/lbs recoil. Using a slower powder like H4350 you might need 41 gn for the same velocity, which would up the recoil by about 14%. If I was of a mind to do so I could achieve about the same velocity with a 140 gn bullet in my 7x57 with a really slow powder like IMR7828, using about 50.3 gn, for recoil about 33% greater than the 6.5CM/H4895 load. I don't though, I use something a bit faster (Varget) To the extent that the 6.5 Creedmoor may be able to derive similar velocities with a little less propellant, it may potentially offer a bit less recoil than some others, if that capability is used. I suspect too that it can benefit from being loaded milder, with low drag bullets allowing it to achieve similar results at distance to less streamlined ones which start faster. Personally, I don't find cartridges in this sort of performance category have much recoil, but opinions vary and for those for whom it is a factor I guess the less the better.
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Acceleration, not momentum.
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(Blank) grains of lead, at (blank) fps, from a (blank) lb rifle is exactly the same, no matter what the head stamp says.
Marketing hits a home run sometime. Not with the magical 6.5 Apollo Creed cartridge
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Around 1964 I bought one of the first left hand Remington 700 BDLs that came out, a .270 I found on sale for $125. Around 1980 I bought one of the same model in .30-06. In the years in between, Remington had made changes in the stock configuration. I never knew why, but that .270 was one of the nastiest kicking rifles I have ever fired, and the '06 was much more comfortable.
Go figure.
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My heavier tc venture 270 recoils harder than the lighter tikka 6.5. I have made a reduced load one time for the 270 where it was shooting 140 grain around 2800fps vs 3050. It was nice to shoot, but I’d have to shoot the reduced 270 and hot 6.5 at the same time to really compare them. I think Most 6.5CM shoot the 140s around 2700 fps. I love shooting the 6.5. Not sure why all the hate if the guys haven’t tried it yet. Kind of reminds of the homophobic 270 guys on here. Deep down, All they want to do is shoot the 270 or 6.5 and suck some BBC
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I am trying to figure the best way for me to shoot after cutting off 3 fingers the 6.5 is definitely easier for me to shoot. Using my pinky as the trigger finger and adjusting the accuracy trigger all the way down it seems to be the gun that works the best for me. I haven't had the chance to try the new shooting style in the woods but on the bench it works
You've got to hand it to a blind prostitute
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The Creed is very pleasant to shoot, but no different than a 308 or a 7mm-08
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The 6.5 CM is the best thing since individually wrapped orange sandwich cheese. It is a God send....
All hail the 6.5 Creedmoor!!!!
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