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What the family court system has systematically and by design done to this country is probably the worst thing that has ever been done to the people of this country. And nobody ever wants to talk about fixing it. Love your wife, stay at home, make it work. Like millions of families do. If your mom keeps sucking my dick, should your dad make it work? LOL
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Iām sure heāll walk, heās still a huge vagina.
Dead man was stupid, but he wasnāt a vagina.
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It's not what I would have done, but I'm going to say that the dead guy not leaving when told to leave and becoming physical might be enough to keep the not smart guy out of prison.
There could be a LOT more to the story than what we see in a short video clip that could easily change my opinion. Exactly.
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Iām sure heāll walk, heās still a huge vagina.
Dead man was stupid, but he wasnāt a vagina. So you side with stupid. Stupid gets people killed every year. You are a pussy.
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Iām sure heāll walk, heās still a huge vagina.
Dead man was stupid, but he wasnāt a vagina. So you side with stupid. Stupid gets people killed every year. You are a pussy. š¤£ settle down Karen, you aināt dead yet.
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There were many mistakes that lead to that guy's death.
He should have left when told to.
Gun should have been left in the house, and the police called.
Never fire a warning shot.
When someone has a gun and tells you to leave their property... Leave. Don't assault the gun guy and try to get the gun away from him.
I'm pretty sure the grand jury will true bill the shooter, depending on the DA's recommendation. Yep. Lots of mistakes by both. Dumbass # 1 should have stayed in the house. And shouldnāt have bought out his gun. And never should have fired a warning shot. Thatās not legal. And bringing a gun into an argument was more stupidity. He should have called the cops. Dumbass # 2 should have left when told to leave. And never should have tried to take the gun. And shouldāve called the Cops. Results: Dumbass # 1 will be charged with some degree of Homicide after the Grand Jury convenes. Dumbass # 2 is Dead. He should have walked away and called the Cops. You canāt shoot someone for Trespass in TX. Or being an asswhole. Both dumbasses lost here. One lost his life. The other is about to lose his freedom. He wasn't shot for trespass or being an asswhole. He was shot because the other man was afraid of him. Probably thought the man was going to take away that loaded firearm. He might have done well to go inside and let those two argue it out. You can get into a lot of crap trying to take up for a woman when she ain't worth it. Yep. Most women arenāt worth it. When dumbasses collide! š¬
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It's not what I would have done, but I'm going to say that the dead guy not leaving when told to leave and becoming physical might be enough to keep the not smart guy out of prison.
There could be a LOT more to the story than what we see in a short video clip that could easily change my opinion. Manslaughter is a thing. When little man capped at that dudes feet, it was negligent at the very least. He will face charges and likely do some time. Most of us here believe in castle type laws, but little dude escalated this situation to death. I can't see Governor Abbott and TX AG letting this completely slide.
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Texas law is pretty clear on these issues and dad clearly advanced on the little guy.
Dad also verbalized that he would take the weapon from little guy and fugk him with it. Which would easily be interpreted as a threat of deadly force by most people.
Dad made two overt motions to grab the weapon. He was shot the second time.
Even if arrested and charged, Texas jury isnāt going to convict based on that video. Heāll be charged. He fuqked up when he went and retrieved his weapon during a verbal argument. He became the aggressor at that point. āSection 2 of Texas Penal Code 9:31 Use of Deadly Forceā
ā2) did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; āLuckily for the little Asswhole, heāll have to face a Lubbock Jury and not one in Dallas or Austin. My guess is hell be charged and tried, but found Not Guilty.
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Not a verbal argument at all, he told the guy to get off his property. There is no argument after that. Once you are told to leave, even for trespassing (which you seem to not understand the implication of) if you don't leave you are the aggressor. It is true that you cannot just shoot someone you see across your pasture trespassing. If you confront the intruder and he does not leave the situation has changed to the trespasser being the aggressor. Wait for the Game Warden? Suppose he starts pushing you around and grabs your gun? I agree the incident should not have happened and it would not have if the trespasser had left when asked.
This man was picking up his son, where else was he supposed to go? He had to be at this place at this given time to retrieve his son. Good lord. Some of you guys and your logic are baffling. Sure but once he was told the boy was not there he should have left and called the Sheriff or just gone to where he was told the boy was. 3:15 is an odd time of day to pick up a kid. Are you saying the guy had every right to push the other guy around? He hooked up with a woman who had baggage. He knew it . He knew to mind his own business. If he didnt think ex's would argue over their kids he is an idiot. But did he feel the ex had a right to push him around on his own porch? He was actually minding his own business and property. He told the guy to leave and he did not. Would you go hide? How do you know the ex wouldn't go into the house? He should have kicked back and enjoyed the show. This was between the ex's and about their son. It was none of his business. You dont get involved in parents arguments over their children. Ever.
Ideas are far more powerful than guns, We dont let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas. "Joseph Stalin"
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Texas law is pretty clear on these issues and dad clearly advanced on the little guy.
Dad also verbalized that he would take the weapon from little guy and fugk him with it. Which would easily be interpreted as a threat of deadly force by most people.
Dad made two overt motions to grab the weapon. He was shot the second time.
Even if arrested and charged, Texas jury isnāt going to convict based on that video. Heāll be charged. He fuqked up when he went and retrieved his weapon during a verbal argument. He became the aggressor at that point. Luckily for the little Asswhole, heāll have to face a Lubbock Jury and not one in Dallas or Austin. My guess is hell be charged and tried, but found Not Guilty. He told the guy to leave his property. When he didn't leave, the property owner armed himself. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Well, other than he should have been armed from the start. š
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Interesting case. Dad grabbed the little guy, and threw him off of his own porch. Plus threatened to take the gun away, plus Dad was much bigger.
Texas.
I say the little guy walks.
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Texas law is pretty clear on these issues and dad clearly advanced on the little guy.
Dad also verbalized that he would take the weapon from little guy and fugk him with it. Which would easily be interpreted as a threat of deadly force by most people.
Dad made two overt motions to grab the weapon. He was shot the second time.
Even if arrested and charged, Texas jury isnāt going to convict based on that video. I don't know Texas law, and I certainly agree that dad clearly advanced on the shooter, threatened to take the weapon away from the shooter, and even attempted to take it. What I am wondering is whether Texas law authorizes a home occupant to point a firearm at a verbally irate person who does not leave his property upon the home occupant's request, because the issue of who is the aggressor could be determined based on that point rather than at the point where dad goes after the shooter. If home occupant was legally justified to point the gun, dad was the aggressor. If not, home occupant may be considered the initial aggressor for pointing the gun (ordinarily considered aggravated assault unless justifiable) and dad may have a right of self-defense which could include taking the gun away. (Dad did not step on the porch until after home occupant swung the rifle past dad.) I also agree that, at least around here, these cases are hard to get a conviction on an intentional homicide charge.
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What the family court system has systematically and by design done to this country is probably the worst thing that has ever been done to the people of this country. And nobody ever wants to talk about fixing it. Love your wife, stay at home, make it work. Like millions of families do. If your mom keeps sucking my dick, should your dad make it work? LOL Never would have happened But dadās Should make better picks....
Decades of voting for the lesser of two evils has gotten us just that.....
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Texas law is pretty clear on these issues and dad clearly advanced on the little guy.
Dad also verbalized that he would take the weapon from little guy and fugk him with it. Which would easily be interpreted as a threat of deadly force by most people.
Dad made two overt motions to grab the weapon. He was shot the second time.
Even if arrested and charged, Texas jury isnāt going to convict based on that video. Spot on.
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Texas law is pretty clear on these issues and dad clearly advanced on the little guy.
Dad also verbalized that he would take the weapon from little guy and fugk him with it. Which would easily be interpreted as a threat of deadly force by most people.
Dad made two overt motions to grab the weapon. He was shot the second time.
Even if arrested and charged, Texas jury isnāt going to convict based on that video. I don't know Texas law, and I certainly agree that dad clearly advanced on the shooter, threatened to take the weapon away from the shooter, and even attempted to take it. What I am wondering is whether Texas law authorizes a home occupant to point a firearm at a verbally irate person who does not leave his property upon the home occupant's request, because the issue of who is the aggressor could be determined based on that point rather than at the point where dad goes after the shooter. If home occupant was legally justified to point the gun, dad was the aggressor. If not, home occupant may be considered the initial aggressor for pointing the gun (ordinarily considered aggravated assault unless justifiable) and dad may have a right of self-defense which could include taking the gun away. (Dad did not step on the porch until after home occupant swung the rifle past dad.) I also agree that, at least around here, these cases are hard to get a conviction on an intentional homicide charge. Thatās exactly where he fuqked up. You canāt point a gun at someone over verbal argument. Like I mentioned in my above post, he became the Aggressor at that point. And thatās gonna come back and bite him in the ass.
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The mother should have just had the son there as the court ordered.
It almost seems like a setup.
Yep. Having someone there to video the whole thing makes it seem like they all knew something was gonna happen. Who ran video from inside? Dead dudeās ex-MIL? I'm pretty sure it was jag. Coincidence??
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The mother should have just had the son there as the court ordered.
It almost seems like a setup.
Yep. Having someone there to video the whole thing makes it seem like they all knew something was gonna happen. Who ran video from inside? Dead dudeās ex-MIL? I'm pretty sure it was jag. Coincidence?? šš¦«
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Texas law is pretty clear on these issues and dad clearly advanced on the little guy.
Dad also verbalized that he would take the weapon from little guy and fugk him with it. Which would easily be interpreted as a threat of deadly force by most people.
Dad made two overt motions to grab the weapon. He was shot the second time.
Even if arrested and charged, Texas jury isnāt going to convict based on that video. I don't know Texas law, and I certainly agree that dad clearly advanced on the shooter, threatened to take the weapon away from the shooter, and even attempted to take it. What I am wondering is whether Texas law authorizes a home occupant to point a firearm at a verbally irate person who does not leave his property upon the home occupant's request, because the issue of who is the aggressor could be determined based on that point rather than at the point where dad goes after the shooter. If home occupant was legally justified to point the gun, dad was the aggressor. If not, home occupant may be considered the initial aggressor for pointing the gun (ordinarily considered aggravated assault unless justifiable) and dad may have a right of self-defense which could include taking the gun away. (Dad did not step on the porch until after home occupant swung the rifle past dad.) I also agree that, at least around here, these cases are hard to get a conviction on an intentional homicide charge. Years ago I was living in Wyoming. There was a Truck stop between Green River and Rocks Springs where a young man and his mothers boyfriend had a shoot out. Kid won and was not charged. Argument was over the man beating the young guys mother. Once you tell someone to leave your property no matter what if they do not leave they are the aggressor. None of us know what kind of man the dead guy was before his timely death.
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Should have made a better pick....
That's incredibly insightful. Thanks for contributing today. LOL
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Texas law is pretty clear on these issues and dad clearly advanced on the little guy.
Dad also verbalized that he would take the weapon from little guy and fugk him with it. Which would easily be interpreted as a threat of deadly force by most people.
Dad made two overt motions to grab the weapon. He was shot the second time.
Even if arrested and charged, Texas jury isnāt going to convict based on that video. Exactly
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