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He will walk and when he does they can't sue him. We have a similar law here. How does that work in Texas? Does it require an acquittal, a no true bill, DA refusal of charges, some pre-trial determination by a judge, and/or something else?
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''it is going to be hard to find a full jury that thinks the shooting was necessary when this thread full of gun guys is torn on the legality of this event.''
--oakster
That is right. You just described a hung jury which means the little guy walks. Walks back ta his cell, ta wait for the next trial. You is correct! What a mess, eh?
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He will walk and when he does they can't sue him. Not necessarily true, predicated on charges.... criminal and civil charges have different standards of proof. Of course someone can be held civilly liable after a not guilty verdict in a criminal proceeding Yep, much lower standard of proof in civil court. Little man is screwed.
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He will walk and when he does they can't sue him. We have a similar law here. How does that work in Texas? Does it require an acquittal, a no true bill, DA refusal of charges, some pre-trial determination by a judge, and/or something else? never heard that before. Unique to Wyoming? Liability in a civil proceeding usually has nothing to do with guilt in a criminal proceeding.
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THREAD OF THE CENTURY
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Thanks to Jeff P the OP
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CASE FACTS:
1 – A hostile and argumentative Reid is ordered to leave private property, and refuses and starts threatening individuals on private property.
CRIMINAL TRESPASSING ELEMENT REACHED
2 – Carruth obtains firearm to protect himself, and occupants of his property, from a hostile Trespasser who is working himself into a frenzy, and continues threatening occupants.
3 – Carruth, WITH FIREARM AT SIDE AND FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER tells illegal trespasser to leave again. (Finger off trigger is sign he was not looking to shoot unless forced to)
4 – Illegal Trespasser charges up to property owner, and physically pushes himself into property owner.
ASSAULT & BATTERY ELEMENT REACHED
RIGHT TO USE DEADLY FORCE REACHED.
5 – Property owner fires FIRST SHOT at ground, to again, attempt to force a CRIMINAL ASSAULTING HIM from the property when he had the right to use deadly force at this point, but did not.
5A – The fact the property owner did not shoot the assaulting trespasser at this point (5) PROVES this was not a setup or he would have killed him at this point, being legally entitled to after having been physically assaulted.
6 – Illegal trespasser charges property owner again, and fights over gun, and then, AGAIN, physically assaults the property owner by trying to throw him to the ground.
7 – With no other choice after two physical assault contacts, the property owner is forced to use deadly force to stop the assault on himself, on his own property, and to protect everyone else.
Everything else is strawman arguments: child custody, people there, what happened in the past, et al.
It is a clear open-shut case of self defense, and even an elementary school fifth grade class could comprehend these facts.
You have the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS means you have a right to acquire a gun at any point and time you feel the need to protect yourself or anyone else or just to have on you.
There are ZERO elements to be met to have the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS in the SECOND AMENDMENT.
You commies writing your positions Carruth had no right to bear arms only helps you, and your commie brothers, in your anti-gun campaigns, and your war to destroy the freedom of many here you have brainwashed into believing you believe in freedom.
Everyone of these closet commie stalkers harassing me here are the same closet commies who have stalked me here for close to 3 years now with their constant lies to run me off, yet every single time they are challenged to produce proof to back their pathological lying, they fail to produce.
These anti-gun right closet commies here are easily noticed, just look how they added strawman arguments in this thread to conflate multiple lies into their fictional truth while they obfuscate on the facts.
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CASE FACTS:
1 – A hostile and argumentative Reid is ordered to leave private property, and refuses and starts threatening individuals on private property.
CRIMINAL TRESPASSING ELEMENT REACHED
2 – Carruth obtains firearm to protect himself, and occupants of his property, from a hostile Trespasser who is working himself into a frenzy, and continues threatening occupants.
3 – Carruth, WITH FIREARM AT SIDE AND FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER tells illegal trespasser to leave again. (Finger off trigger is sign he was not looking to shoot unless forced to)
4 – Illegal Trespasser charges up to property owner, and physically pushes himself into property owner.
ASSAULT & BATTERY ELEMENT REACHED
RIGHT TO USE DEADLY FORCE REACHED.
5 – Property owner fires FIRST SHOT at ground, to again, attempt to force a CRIMINAL ASSAULTING HIM from the property when he had the right to use deadly force at this point, but did not.
5A – The fact the property owner did not shoot the assaulting trespasser at this point (5) PROVES this was not a setup or he would have killed him at this point, being legally entitled to after having been physically assaulted.
6 – Illegal trespasser charges property owner again, and fights over gun, and then, AGAIN, physically assaults the property owner by trying to throw him to the ground.
7 – With no other choice after two physical assault contacts, the property owner is forced to use deadly force to stop the assault on himself, on his own property, and to protect everyone else.
Everything else is strawman arguments: child custody, people there, what happened in the past, et al.
It is a clear open-shut case of self defense, and even an elementary school fifth grade class could comprehend these facts.
You have the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS means you have a right to acquire a gun at any point and time you feel the need to protect yourself or anyone else or just to have on you.
There are ZERO elements to be met to have the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS in the SECOND AMENDMENT.
You commies writing your positions Carruth had no right to bear arms only helps you, and your commie brothers, in your anti-gun campaigns, and your war to destroy the freedom of many hear you have brainwashed into believing your believe in freedom.
Everyone of these closet commie stalkers harassing me here are the same closet commies who have stalked me here for close to 3 years now with their constant lies to run me off, yet every single time they are challenged to produce proof to back their pathological lying, they fail to produce.
These anti-gun right closet commies here are easily noticed, just look how they added strawman arguments in this thread to conflate multiple lies into their fictional truth while they obfuscate on the facts.
You know this isn’t a real court, right?
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firing a warning shot at someone's feet is deadly force in Texas. that might be an important fact in case. lmao
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Little man is in a lot of trouble. We have death penalty in Texas. Watch the video posted the page before this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=3JyVw5LU8EA&feature=youtu.be&has_verified=1
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Ideas are far more powerful than guns, We dont let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas. "Joseph Stalin"
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So, does this go from voluntary manslaughter to pre-meditated? Not a lawyer, but it Shirley don’t look good. In spite of egg layers protestations.
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firing a warning shot at someone's feet is deadly force in Texas. that might be an important fact in case. lmao He had a right to use deadly force at that point after he had been physically assaulted the FIRST TIME. You patriots reading this, you see how ribka just did what I talked about in the above Case Facts posting, ignore the actual facts, and say he didn't have a right to use deadly force. Now, you really think he's typing that to support your God given RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS or is he typing that to support his commie allies wanting to disarm you?
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chumpmunk slayer
firing a warning shot at someone's feet is deadly force in Texas. that might be an important fact in case. lmao
It is a clear open-shut case of self defense, and even an elementary school fifth grade class could comprehend these facts.
Evidently ELKTURDBURGLAR Didn’t make it Past the 4th grade, from his own statements. Too much for his tiny little pea brain to understand Justification for Threatening Deadly Force or Using Deadly Force in TX. If he is in TX, as he claims, he must be in the State Mental Hospital in Big Springs. Being that Stupid must really hurt.
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firing a warning shot at someone's feet is deadly force in Texas. that might be an important fact in case. lmao He had a right to use deadly force at that point after he had been physically assaulted the FIRST TIME. You patriots reading this, you see how ribka just did what I talked about in the above Case Facts posting, ignore the actual facts, and say he didn't have a right to use deadly force. Now, you really think he's typing that to support your God given RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS or is he typing that to support his commie allies wanting to disarm you? You can’t just shoot someone because they hurt your feelings. You [bleep] pussy…
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never heard that before. Unique to Wyoming? Liability in a civil proceeding usually has nothing to do with guilt in a criminal proceeding. Right, ask O.J.Simpson.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
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It was Read's current wife that filmed it.
She sure was awfully calm after her husband was shot and killed in front of her eyes... I noticed that, too. Like she was arguing over whose dog shat on whose lawn.
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CASE FACTS:
1 – A hostile and argumentative Reid is ordered to leave private property, and refuses and starts threatening individuals on private property.
CRIMINAL TRESPASSING ELEMENT REACHED
2 – Carruth obtains firearm to protect himself, and occupants of his property, from a hostile Trespasser who is working himself into a frenzy, and continues threatening occupants.
3 – Carruth, WITH FIREARM AT SIDE AND FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER tells illegal trespasser to leave again. (Finger off trigger is sign he was not looking to shoot unless forced to)
4 – Illegal Trespasser charges up to property owner, and physically pushes himself into property owner.
ASSAULT & BATTERY ELEMENT REACHED
RIGHT TO USE DEADLY FORCE REACHED.
5 – Property owner fires FIRST SHOT at ground, to again, attempt to force a CRIMINAL ASSAULTING HIM from the property when he had the right to use deadly force at this point, but did not.
5A – The fact the property owner did not shoot the assaulting trespasser at this point (5) PROVES this was not a setup or he would have killed him at this point, being legally entitled to after having been physically assaulted.
6 – Illegal trespasser charges property owner again, and fights over gun, and then, AGAIN, physically assaults the property owner by trying to throw him to the ground.
7 – With no other choice after two physical assault contacts, the property owner is forced to use deadly force to stop the assault on himself, on his own property, and to protect everyone else.
Everything else is strawman arguments: child custody, people there, what happened in the past, et al.
It is a clear open-shut case of self defense, and even an elementary school fifth grade class could comprehend these facts.
You have the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS means you have a right to acquire a gun at any point and time you feel the need to protect yourself or anyone else or just to have on you.
There are ZERO elements to be met to have the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS in the SECOND AMENDMENT.
You commies writing your positions Carruth had no right to bear arms only helps you, and your commie brothers, in your anti-gun campaigns, and your war to destroy the freedom of many hear you have brainwashed into believing your believe in freedom.
Everyone of these closet commie stalkers harassing me here are the same closet commies who have stalked me here for close to 3 years now with their constant lies to run me off, yet every single time they are challenged to produce proof to back their pathological lying, they fail to produce.
These anti-gun right closet commies here are easily noticed, just look how they added strawman arguments in this thread to conflate multiple lies into their fictional truth while they obfuscate on the facts. You know this isn’t a real court, right? Don't be too upset, because I make you look the fool you are as you align yourself with the commies, and attack the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. Those ARE the hard COLD FACTS, and FACTS "win" cases, not the lying anti-gun grabbing agenda you have aligned yourself to, commie.
"He is far from Stupid"
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If you watch the video Reed is just standing there. He is not moving. Little man looks to be 10+ feet away when he shoots. There was no threat when he fired.
Ideas are far more powerful than guns, We dont let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas. "Joseph Stalin"
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CASE FACTS:
1 – A hostile and argumentative Reid is ordered to leave private property, and refuses and starts threatening individuals on private property.
CRIMINAL TRESPASSING ELEMENT REACHED
2 – Carruth obtains firearm to protect himself, and occupants of his property, from a hostile Trespasser who is working himself into a frenzy, and continues threatening occupants.
3 – Carruth, WITH FIREARM AT SIDE AND FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER tells illegal trespasser to leave again. (Finger off trigger is sign he was not looking to shoot unless forced to)
4 – Illegal Trespasser charges up to property owner, and physically pushes himself into property owner.
ASSAULT & BATTERY ELEMENT REACHED
RIGHT TO USE DEADLY FORCE REACHED.
5 – Property owner fires FIRST SHOT at ground, to again, attempt to force a CRIMINAL ASSAULTING HIM from the property when he had the right to use deadly force at this point, but did not.
5A – The fact the property owner did not shoot the assaulting trespasser at this point (5) PROVES this was not a setup or he would have killed him at this point, being legally entitled to after having been physically assaulted.
6 – Illegal trespasser charges property owner again, and fights over gun, and then, AGAIN, physically assaults the property owner by trying to throw him to the ground.
7 – With no other choice after two physical assault contacts, the property owner is forced to use deadly force to stop the assault on himself, on his own property, and to protect everyone else.
Everything else is strawman arguments: child custody, people there, what happened in the past, et al.
It is a clear open-shut case of self defense, and even an elementary school fifth grade class could comprehend these facts.
You have the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS means you have a right to acquire a gun at any point and time you feel the need to protect yourself or anyone else or just to have on you.
There are ZERO elements to be met to have the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS in the SECOND AMENDMENT.
You commies writing your positions Carruth had no right to bear arms only helps you, and your commie brothers, in your anti-gun campaigns, and your war to destroy the freedom of many hear you have brainwashed into believing your believe in freedom.
Everyone of these closet commie stalkers harassing me here are the same closet commies who have stalked me here for close to 3 years now with their constant lies to run me off, yet every single time they are challenged to produce proof to back their pathological lying, they fail to produce.
These anti-gun right closet commies here are easily noticed, just look how they added strawman arguments in this thread to conflate multiple lies into their fictional truth while they obfuscate on the facts. You know this isn’t a real court, right? Don't be too upset, because I make you look the fool you are as you align yourself with the commies, and attack the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. Those ARE the hard COLD FACTS, and FACTS "win" cases, not the lying anti-gun grabbing agenda you have aligned yourself to, commie. Sure thing, Johnnie Cochran….
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LMAO, a democrat lawyer obviously participating with brainwashing the public into believing guns are bad in that video.
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It was Read's current wife that filmed it.
She sure was awfully calm after her husband was shot and killed in front of her eyes... I noticed that, too. Like she was arguing over whose dog shat on whose lawn. You need to do more research.
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