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Originally Posted by HitnRun
Same old misconception. 6.5 wasn’t designed as a hunting round and still won’t do anything to game that other cartridges haven’t done for decades.

Save the creed for targets.


For that statement to make any sense there's an implicit assumption that someone is adding a rifle to a stable that already includes one or more of these ballistically similar "other cartridges". What if someone is starting out from ground zero in that class of cartridge?

Furthermore, the idea that "it wasn't designed as a hunting round" is moot. It is a fine hunting round and doesn't suffer the various technical/logistical challenges that face decades older classics like the 257 Roberts for one example.

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I started off w 6mm Rem roughly 40 years back. since I have tried 30-06 & 270 win then more recently 6.5 Grendel & this year I opted to re-barrel a CZ-527 action, previously 7.62 x 39 then 6.5 Grendel & now 6mm ARC.

They all do just fine though I am clear that I am not a fan of recoil. Years past I was & am currently a firm believer of a 100 gr Hunting bullet from the 6mm REMINGTON

This year i used the heaviest hunting bullet I know of from the 6mm ARC.

Muzzle velocity from the 22" Pacnor barrel is pushing the 108 GR ELITE Hunter at 2780 fps with less than 30 gr of LVR. Fired one shot only this season at deer. Results were as good as ever with a dead deer on impact with a 254 yard shot.
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Purchased a Ruger American in 6.5 CM, roughly 5 years ago & still have not put a round down that tube yet.

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Originally Posted by HitnRun
Same old misconception. 6.5 wasn’t designed as a hunting round and still won’t do anything to game that other cartridges haven’t done for decades.

Save the creed for targets.


My targets sometimes have fur. And antlers.

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From what you wrote I'm pretty sure you'll like the 6 CM cartridge when you get around to it.

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Originally Posted by mathman
Originally Posted by HitnRun
Same old misconception. 6.5 wasn’t designed as a hunting round and still won’t do anything to game that other cartridges haven’t done for decades.

Save the creed for targets.


For that statement to make any sense there's an implicit assumption that someone is adding a rifle to a stable that already includes one or more of these ballistically similar "other cartridges". What if someone is starting out from ground zero in that class of cartridge?

Furthermore, the idea that "it wasn't designed as a hunting round" is moot. It is a fine hunting round and doesn't suffer the various technical/logistical challenges that face decades older classics like the 257 Roberts for one example.


You won’t live long enough to see the creed collect the game a 270 or 30-06 has, regardless of the 6.5 kool-aid you drink.


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I was thinking the other day how much I used to hate Bill Clinton. He was freaking George Washington compared to what they are now.
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Probably not, but logically that's neither here nor there. I don't drink 6.5 kool-aid, I assess things technically on their merits. I've never said the CM had magical powers. If anything, looking at the rifles I own would suggest I'm a 308 Win kool-aid drinker.

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Why would anyone ditch perfection?











It's a joke for the boomers without a clue or sense of humor.

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Not being designed as a hunting round is an odd qualifier on a forum full of guys who love to hunt with 30-06 or 7x57?

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My Creed is the 6.5X284, and I have fully drank the 6.5 koolaid though I do still use some of the older, original rounds.



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I've used a 270w for the past 45+ yrs, why would I ever need to move down to a 6.5 CM? so I never did.

I also use a 7mm08 since they were made a factory round in the early 80's. If I want to carry a lighter gun thats my ticket.

Ive taken several bull elk with both with no problems as have both of my sons.

One argument I always hear is how much faster the lockup time is to work a short action vs a long action.

For a Remington 700------------------------
The difference from a short-action to a long-action in overall length in your firearm is roughly ½”. In theory, a short-action is faster to reload because of the shorter travel when working the bolt. This is only marginally faster though; we are talking tenths of a second

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Originally Posted by clockwork_7mm
Not being designed as a hunting round is an odd qualifier on a forum full of guys who love to hunt with 30-06 or 7x57?



Hellooooo, 30-06 and 7X57 are way past 100 years old and there weren’t already hundreds of similar rounds available. Comparing a Creedmoor to a 30-06 or 7X57 is in that regard is ridiculous.


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I was doing much of my hunting with the 6.5X55 swede but went to the more traditional 223 with a Barnes 55 ttsx at 3300 fps. I could have waited until I was 80 years old and recoil sensitive to make the move but why?

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I think it was shrapnel who opined if Custer had only had a Creedmoor...

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I found the Hornady story as to how the 6.5 CM was created to be a compelling journey into ballistics - even from a napkin. A caribou, cow elk and a 5x5 bull now has me "hooked" for awhile as the .270's sit idle. Easy to load for, negligible recoil, wickedly accurate (Kimber Montana 84M) and a good array of bullets should have me using up quite a bit of R-16.


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Originally Posted by bigwhoop
I found the Hornady story as to how the 6.5 CM was created to be a compelling journey into ballistics - even from a napkin. A caribou, cow elk and a 5x5 bull now has me "hooked" for awhile as the .270's sit idle. Easy to load for, negligible recoil, wickedly accurate (Kimber Montana 84M) and a good array of bullets should have me using up quite a bit of R-16.

bw, what bullet did you use for your elk? Thanks


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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There’s just something about a classic caliber that keeps me going back. I do own a few nice 6.5CM rifles however one remains unfired and the other is one of my favorites when a classic caliber gets bypassed.

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Originally Posted by bigwhoop
I found the Hornady story as to how the 6.5 CM was created to be a compelling journey into ballistics - even from a napkin. A caribou, cow elk and a 5x5 bull now has me "hooked" for awhile as the .270's sit idle. Easy to load for, negligible recoil, wickedly accurate (Kimber Montana 84M) and a good array of bullets should have me using up quite a bit of R-16.


How can that be? It wasn't designed as a hunting cartridge, right?

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Originally Posted by mathman
Probably not, but logically that's neither here nor there. I don't drink 6.5 kool-aid, I assess things technically on their merits. I've never said the CM had magical powers. If anything, looking at the rifles I own would suggest I'm a 308 Win kool-aid drinker.

We all know you are a 308w lover and Koolaid drinker. However, it is comforting that you do admit to the "merits" of the 6.5 CM. I shoot 2" targets with my creedmoor at 4-500 yards with regularity. Generally with an 80% hit rate (8 out of 10 shots). I have shot the cm in high winds too and it surprises the chidt out of me in those conditions. However, with that being said I still have reservations about using it on fur. Sometimes I think back on when ol Wayne VanZwoll used it to shoot an elk at 600 yards with John Burns. You guys have seen the video. The elk ran a long ways and then circled back and fell down. Not really anything I've seen with the cartridges I've used. Generally those have been bang flops. In my mind the creedmoor is marginal, but it does work.. Convince me otherwise...


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I used the 143 ELD-X for the caribou (375 yds.) broadside - dropped at the shot, same for the cow elk a month later (115 yds.) quartering away, dropped and slid down the snowy hill. This years 5x5 bull was a factory Norma 140gr cup & core style (108yds,) broadside, stumbled 40 feet and collapsed. Recovered bullet weighed 110 grs. - previously posted on the Elk Hunting site.

Someone getting started and on a bit of a budget would do quite well with Tikka T3x either blue or stainless.


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Originally Posted by mathman
Originally Posted by bigwhoop
I found the Hornady story as to how the 6.5 CM was created to be a compelling journey into ballistics - even from a napkin. A caribou, cow elk and a 5x5 bull now has me "hooked" for awhile as the .270's sit idle. Easy to load for, negligible recoil, wickedly accurate (Kimber Montana 84M) and a good array of bullets should have me using up quite a bit of R-16.


How can that be? It wasn't designed as a hunting cartridge, right?


Well you are right - but as the story goes all they had to do was add quality hunting bullets and here we are!

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