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If you don’t like your wages, get a better job. Why, when you can get a raise at your current job? It sure sounds as if the raise you get might not offset the wages you lose. I’m not working to benefit the next guy, I got bills of my own.
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I’m not gonna get a 3% raise.
Didn’t last year, either.
And I’m a high performer.
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Maybe you should unionize? I’m not complaining. I’m happy as hell with my wages. A couple of times I wasn’t, so I went looking and found a better job. P
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I’m not gonna get a 3% raise.
Didn’t last year, either.
And I’m a high performer.
P
Maybe you should unionize? I’m not complaining. I’m happy as hell with my wages. A couple of times I wasn’t, so I went looking and found a better job. P Whether youre management or union, this is where you look when you want "a better job" in this area. Now, if you wanna spend 2 hrs in traffic every day and sit in a cubicle kissin everyones dick as they walk by you can make more money heading to Bmore. No thanks.
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Was in one on the management side. Union essentially refused to negotiate. We hired, trained and installed a new work force. The union then agreed to come back to work. We told them they had been replaced. We offered them a severance package, if they took it, they could not ever come back to work at this facility. If they refused the severance, they were put on a list to be called when an opening occurred. About 80 took the severance and lost their $60,000 plus annual income with good benefits. About 30 chose to go on the list to be called when there was an opening. Over 3-5 years most of those on the list to be called back did get a call. Some had moved on, some had retired and a few returned to work. This took place in 2002, so a while ago. After the strike and replacement of the work force, this facility became considerably more productive and the safety results went from dangerous to winning national awards for personnel safety. The strike and resulting outcome saved the plant from closing. Not a surprise. I heard from the non-union peers of mine that temporarily replaced the hourly found ways to improve operations. Win win.
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I am surprised that the largely right membership here has some that favor unions...
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My youngest son is "management", an engineer in a SE Texas refinery (the largest in the country) and word is that Exxon Mobil is playing serious hardball with current negotiations. Looks bright.
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I am surprised that the largely right membership here has some that favor unions... Only a couple. Fück unions Hildabeast, Obama, OBiden, and the whole crew love em though.
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I am surprised that the largely right membership here has some that favor unions... I'm pretty "Right". But I also believe that employee/employer relationships should be.... fair. (But fair isn't right) It's awful hard to explain. I've lived in this region all my life. The big employers workers either received government help to survive, Or they were union. I don't think the time is over for unions, it needs to come. But there is a huge problem. They have always had at least as many drawbacks as benefits. In the big picture. Ideally, they would choose political friends that would benefit the workers. They would ruthlessly hunt down corruption in their ranks. They would make every decision to benefit the body of the members. Pie in the sky stuff. (Dam shame) About as much of a fairy tail as thinking that employers would try to compensate employees as well as possible. Keeping the janitor off assistance and able to drive a decent car, instead of a beech house and a ski lodge and a mountain cabin.... Sure, you will run on about education, and your illustrious career (Which you worked your way into, and earned) But project engineers aren't [bleep] without guys who do the work. The next argument is to move. Where? Just as migrants ruin construction jobs in the cities, If every hillbilly moved to where the jobs pay good, those places would soon see wages drop. The whole dam topic is basically economics. And that is never as simple as the first 10 thought on any topic.
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I've been through 2. One in September of '93 at Oshkosh in Celina, Tn. and another in March 2019, at Cummins Filtration in Cookeville, Tn.
Why do I have to press 1, for English?
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You have to be one helluva talentless azzhole to need to rely on unions.
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You have to be one helluva talentless azzhole to need to rely on unions.
Rely? Id say most union members choose to be. And the lowest wage is our janitors, 24.63/hr. offered 10 hr days(OT) and time and half on sat, double on sunday...if they want it. Pretty good pension. Id say thats talent, choosing wages and benefits much higher than any other janitor in the area...by far.
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I am surprised that the largely right membership here has some that favor unions... I'm 62 and retired with a good pension, how about you? Full coverage BC/BS, Delta Dental and prescription coverage costs $310 total a month for my wife and I, how about you? People wouldn't dare to go to court without a lawyer to fight the other side's lawyer but some think that they can negotiate on an even basis with a billion dollar corporation. I've found that many anti-union people are just jealous because they didn't get a union job when they were young and now don't know when/if they'll ever be able to retire.
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You have to be one helluva talentless azzhole to need to rely on unions.
Rely? Id say most union members choose to be. And the lowest wage is our janitors, 24.63/hr. offered 10 hr days(OT) and time and half on sat, double on sunday...if they want it. Pretty good pension. Id say thats talent, choosing wages and benefits much higher than any other janitor in the area...by far. I sure that helps with the sustainability of the company...
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I am surprised that the largely right membership here has some that favor unions... I'm 62 and retired with a good pension, how about you?.... I believe hes better off than either of us lol. But that dont mean we arent doin well.
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I sure that helps with the sustainability of the company...
They got plenty. Defense.
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You have to be one helluva talentless azzhole to need to rely on unions.
Rely? Id say most union members choose to be. And the lowest wage is our janitors, 24.63/hr. offered 10 hr days(OT) and time and half on sat, double on sunday...if they want it. Pretty good pension. Id say thats talent, choosing wages and benefits much higher than any other janitor in the area...by far. There is much better money for the talented enterprising who don't have to rely on a group of grab azz dumbfuq unioners.
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You have to be one helluva talentless azzhole to need to rely on unions.
Rely? Id say most union members choose to be. And the lowest wage is our janitors, 24.63/hr. offered 10 hr days(OT) and time and half on sat, double on sunday...if they want it. Pretty good pension. Id say thats talent, choosing wages and benefits much higher than any other janitor in the area...by far. There is much better money for the talented enterprising who don't have to rely on a group of grab azz dumbfuq unioners. Wait... are you the dumazz who said earlier in the thread something like... "you strike for the future generations"???
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I am surprised that the largely right membership here has some that favor unions... I'm 62 and retired with a good pension, how about you? Full coverage BC/BS, Delta Dental and prescription coverage costs $310 total a month for my wife and I, how about you? People wouldn't dare to go to court without a lawyer to fight the other side's lawyer but some think that they can negotiate on an even basis with a billion dollar corporation. I've found that many anti-union people are just jealous because they didn't get a union job when they were young and now don't know when/if they'll ever be able to retire. lol.... is this supposed to impress people?!?!?!
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[quote=EdM] I've found that many anti-union people are just jealous because they didn't get a union job when they were young and now don't know when/if they'll ever be able to retire.
That doesn’t describe me, not by a jug full. P
Obey lawful commands. Video interactions. Hold bad cops accountable. Problem solved.
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You have to be one helluva talentless azzhole to need to rely on unions.
Rely? Id say most union members choose to be. And the lowest wage is our janitors, 24.63/hr. offered 10 hr days(OT) and time and half on sat, double on sunday...if they want it. Pretty good pension. Id say thats talent, choosing wages and benefits much higher than any other janitor in the area...by far. There is much better money for the talented enterprising who don't have to rely on a group of grab azz dumbfuq unioners. Wait... are you the dumazz who said earlier in the thread something like... "you strike for the future generations"??? You arent just negotiating for yourself.
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