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Always liked that video of Don crumpling the charging elephant with his 9.3.... It was impressive for sure ! He sent it to me right after it happened, and before the Park came down on him for pushing the elephant one too many times. He had two cameramen working and according to him he was teaching some aspiring PH applicants how to judge a charge. I ask what solids he was using in his 9.3 and if I remember correctly he told me he was carrying a Park issued 416 Rem.
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In the day of benchrest and long range stupidity influencing the big game rifle, the original 9.3x62 was proper for harsh environments.
The chamber dimensions of my 9.3x62, 1922 oberndorf sporting mauser were designed to keep pressures low in dirty or hot environments:
Generous throat dimensions where even a 300 grain swift a-frame can be loaded out until the base of the bullet is loaded to the base of the neck.
Generous neck dimensions, fired cases expanded almost one full caliber at the neck.
Sleek and balanced like a fine upland shotgun, the oberndorf stock gives lightening fast aquisition of the sights.
The case capacity of the 9.3x62 is just right, for a balance of killing power, range and recovery from recoil for shot number two,three, four or five.
Sleek cartridges with minimum, but sufficient case taper, sleek shoulder angle and designed to fit in a standard mauser rifle that is lighter than any pre 64 featherweight of equal barrel length. The oberndorf barrel contour is thin, everywhere.
Nowadays, we gotta have staight cases, sharp 30-40 degree shoulders, minimum "benchrest chambers", more gun powder and 3 round capacity rifles.
In typical hunting scenarios and typical range, The 9.3x62 isnt outdone by any modern 375
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No matter what the caliber, Don's ability to correctly place his shot saved his life. Although the momentum of dying elephant did make contact and broke his arm
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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I'm getting great results with JB's load of Varget under 250gr TSX....... Here too.
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Anybody have a link to that elephant charge video?
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I like this thread; I've been curious about the 9.3. Sounds really cool, but it seems from this thread is that there really is no reason for me to get a 9.3 if I already have a .375 I really like. Ya know, other than more guns = more fun. Like the .375, the 9.3x62 is an ideal round for SE. What's your .375? Switching to a 9.3 would get you the same performance with a lighter rifle that holds more ammo and kicks less.
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couple boxes of Rem 9.3x62 ammo on bottom shelf at the 3 Bears store out on Knik Goose Bay Rd .....
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I like this thread; I've been curious about the 9.3. Sounds really cool, but it seems from this thread is that there really is no reason for me to get a 9.3 if I already have a .375 I really like. Ya know, other than more guns = more fun. Like the .375, the 9.3x62 is an ideal round for SE. What's your .375? Switching to a 9.3 would get you the same performance with a lighter rifle that holds more ammo and kicks less. Mine is the Kimber Talkeetna. It's the best kimber I've had. It has the factory 24 inch barrel and iron sights on it now; I'm thinking hard of sending it out for someone to chop it to 20 or 21in to make it a bit more handy in the brush.
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I just don't see how 3-4" of barrel makes a rifle "handier".
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I just don't see how 3-4" of barrel makes a rifle "handier". This is the important part: “ make it a bit more handy in the brush”. It won’t hang up as much.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
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I just don't see how 3-4" of barrel makes a rifle "handier". Alders suck.
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I just don't see how 3-4" of barrel makes a rifle "handier". This is the important part: “ make it a bit more handy in the brush”. It won’t hang up as much. I've never seen this to be the case in my experience, if the brush was a problem I have always went with a big bore revolver. Now that is much handier
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My experience in thick brush has taught me.if a 24 gets hung.up a 20 will as well. To each his own I guess despite my disagreement.
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My experience in thick brush has taught me.if a 24 gets hung.up a 20 will as well. To each his own I guess despite my disagreement. Exactly my experience as well
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I just don't see how 3-4" of barrel makes a rifle "handier". Well I'll put it this way: At the ranges I typically shoot with .375, an extra 3-4 inches makes no difference in energy to the animal on the receiving end. So either way it wouldn't matter. And I usually strap my rifle to my pack and use my chest rig when going through really thick stuff. My rifle sticks up 4 inches above the top of my pack. If I cut off 4 inches, for me and my setup, it will make a noticeable difference. And in southeast there have been times I've sworn up and down while trying to get through alders or blueberry bushes. If chopping off my left nut would help me through that rat nest, I'd probably do it.
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I just don't see how 3-4" of barrel makes a rifle "handier". This is the important part: “ make it a bit more handy in the brush”. It won’t hang up as much. I've never seen this to be the case in my experience, if the brush was a problem I have always went with a big bore revolver. Now that is much handier I find that I can hit stuff mush more reliably with a short barreled rifle than I can with any handgun.
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And in southeast there have been times I've sworn up and down while trying to get through alders or blueberry bushes. If chopping off my left nut would help me through that rat nest, I'd probably do it.
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When was the photo of the Remington 9.3x62 Bronze Point taken. Bronze Point?????? 9.2x62
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When was the photo of the Remington 9.3x62 Bronze Point taken. Bronze Point?????? 9.2x62
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Its mostly lower-48 ruffed grouse hunters who think they know something about busting brush, as most upland shotguns have 24-26 inch barrels.
One day of hiking treeless alaska alders, any of them would quickley change their tune.
Short action 20" barrel carbine: 40 inches Long action 20" barrel carbine: 41-41.75"
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