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Dang I thought you stole my target ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/QC16TvLB/24-F09987-3-A01-40-B5-93-DD-53-BFC6-FAD221.jpg) I traded for some Hornady 75 grain HPBT Match ammo last week and went out to see how it would shoot in my AR’s. On Saturday, it shot like crap (or I did) so I went home and started looking at things. Found the Vortex flash hider way snug so I backed it off, loctited it and hand tightened. Went out Sunday and it shot better but I was down to my last 5 rounds before I got into the 500 rounds I was fixing to sell. Decided hey let’s try the 223 Montana. These 3 went where they did, I added 1.5 moa and put the other two in the bullseye at 200. Figured a three shot group with a two shot qualifier would get a laugh. Damn, that looks just like mine. Coming from 2 guys that don't shoot 3 shot groups right... I think I actually thought of you when I walked down to the fn target that day!!!! Even though that's just 3 shots, looks like your montana is shooting great. Is it the one with the custom barrel? No this is a stock 223 that I bought new a couple of years ago. I stuck a 2.5-8 on it and forgot about it. I haven’t even bedded it.
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doest' even have to be 10 shot groups that somehow have become a thing here at 24 hour.
But would have to be enough 5 shot groups to count for sure.
I'd really rather actually see something like cold bore single shot once a day compiled into say 20 rounds. Or a rapid of like 20 just to see what happens on the other end as it heats up.
Mostly as long as the first shot or two goes where its supposed to thats much more important for 99 percent, hopefully always 100 percent, of my needs. Jeff, how many shots did you take on target when you were competing? Come on now. It sure wasn't 3 or 5. I am not trying to ruffle your feathers. 10 shots help to show what a rifle and shooter are capable of. Seems the only people crying about 10 shot groups are ones that can't consistently lay good ones down on paper. We aren't talking hunting rifles here, but my varmint rifles better prove to me they are sub moa capable or I will fine tune them until they are. The same goes for my precision AR's. So, when a guy says he has a 1/4 moa rifle we assume he's saying 3 shot groups. How many thousands of 1/4 moa 3 shot groups have you shot in your time? I don't waste my time walking downrange to take a pic of every damn 1/4 moa 3 shot group I've shot, they are pointless. Shot one yesterday in fact. First 3 shots in the same hole.. Some guys keep the damn thing in their wallet, like its a prize they show everyone. That doesn't mean their rifle or they are a 1/4 moa shooter... Take the guys over at snipershide, they have had comps but it's 5 5shot groups to prove their rifles shoot sub moa all day. That's a pretty damn easy task, as compared to our shoot which requires 2 10 shot groups side by side. I use our targets on a regular basis to check/test loads. Did that yesterday as a matter of fact. 2 22-250 rifles and the 53gr vmax bullet that another member here has been having issues with. Both of my rifles proved to shoot a load I worked up for another rifle into sub moa, and I was fu cking around for the first groups because I didn't think they were going to stabilize in my 14 twist rifle. When I saw they were, I said fu ck this chidt and knuckled down and shot a real 10 shot group... More shots per group verifies the load, rifle and shooter. Just how it is buddy... disregard.
Last edited by rost495; 02/03/22. Reason: not worth the calories
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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doest' even have to be 10 shot groups that somehow have become a thing here at 24 hour.
But would have to be enough 5 shot groups to count for sure.
I'd really rather actually see something like cold bore single shot once a day compiled into say 20 rounds. Or a rapid of like 20 just to see what happens on the other end as it heats up.
Mostly as long as the first shot or two goes where its supposed to thats much more important for 99 percent, hopefully always 100 percent, of my needs. Jeff, how many shots did you take on target when you were competing? Come on now. It sure wasn't 3 or 5. I am not trying to ruffle your feathers. 10 shots help to show what a rifle and shooter are capable of. Seems the only people crying about 10 shot groups are ones that can't consistently lay good ones down on paper. We aren't talking hunting rifles here, but my varmint rifles better prove to me they are sub moa capable or I will fine tune them until they are. The same goes for my precision AR's. So, when a guy says he has a 1/4 moa rifle we assume he's saying 3 shot groups. How many thousands of 1/4 moa 3 shot groups have you shot in your time? I don't waste my time walking downrange to take a pic of every damn 1/4 moa 3 shot group I've shot, they are pointless. Shot one yesterday in fact. First 3 shots in the same hole.. Some guys keep the damn thing in their wallet, like its a prize they show everyone. That doesn't mean their rifle or they are a 1/4 moa shooter... Take the guys over at snipershide, they have had comps but it's 5 5shot groups to prove their rifles shoot sub moa all day. That's a pretty damn easy task, as compared to our shoot which requires 2 10 shot groups side by side. I use our targets on a regular basis to check/test loads. Did that yesterday as a matter of fact. 2 22-250 rifles and the 53gr vmax bullet that another member here has been having issues with. Both of my rifles proved to shoot a load I worked up for another rifle into sub moa, and I was fu cking around for the first groups because I didn't think they were going to stabilize in my 14 twist rifle. When I saw they were, I said fu ck this chidt and knuckled down and shot a real 10 shot group... More shots per group verifies the load, rifle and shooter. Just how it is buddy... Unbelievable coming from the clown that posts more pics of targets than anyone on the fire …..
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doest' even have to be 10 shot groups that somehow have become a thing here at 24 hour.
But would have to be enough 5 shot groups to count for sure.
I'd really rather actually see something like cold bore single shot once a day compiled into say 20 rounds. Or a rapid of like 20 just to see what happens on the other end as it heats up.
Mostly as long as the first shot or two goes where its supposed to thats much more important for 99 percent, hopefully always 100 percent, of my needs. Jeff, how many shots did you take on target when you were competing? Come on now. It sure wasn't 3 or 5. I am not trying to ruffle your feathers. 10 shots help to show what a rifle and shooter are capable of. Seems the only people crying about 10 shot groups are ones that can't consistently lay good ones down on paper. We aren't talking hunting rifles here, but my varmint rifles better prove to me they are sub moa capable or I will fine tune them until they are. The same goes for my precision AR's. So, when a guy says he has a 1/4 moa rifle we assume he's saying 3 shot groups. How many thousands of 1/4 moa 3 shot groups have you shot in your time? I don't waste my time walking downrange to take a pic of every damn 1/4 moa 3 shot group I've shot, they are pointless. Shot one yesterday in fact. First 3 shots in the same hole.. Some guys keep the damn thing in their wallet, like its a prize they show everyone. That doesn't mean their rifle or they are a 1/4 moa shooter... Take the guys over at snipershide, they have had comps but it's 5 5shot groups to prove their rifles shoot sub moa all day. That's a pretty damn easy task, as compared to our shoot which requires 2 10 shot groups side by side. I use our targets on a regular basis to check/test loads. Did that yesterday as a matter of fact. 2 22-250 rifles and the 53gr vmax bullet that another member here has been having issues with. Both of my rifles proved to shoot a load I worked up for another rifle into sub moa, and I was fu cking around for the first groups because I didn't think they were going to stabilize in my 14 twist rifle. When I saw they were, I said fu ck this chidt and knuckled down and shot a real 10 shot group... More shots per group verifies the load, rifle and shooter. Just how it is buddy... Unbelievable coming from the clown that posts more pics of targets than anyone on the fire ….. Sorry you can't shoot for fu ck. Go somewhere else. Maybe take up golfing???
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Are you drunk or stupid……or both?
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Thanks Tyrone. The WOA barrel I had was a great shooter. Not 1/4 moa great, but great nonetheless. Sold it because it wasn't twisted right.. Oh wait a second... Is this a 1/4 moa shooter? ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/pJ2nwqh.jpg) Damn not quite.. but close. ha ha. I don't know. Cant' tell without the famous 10 shot group from the same gun and load.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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