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Rogan isn't going to lose his audience because of the people working against him.

He very well may lose his audience for apologizing.

He should have just given the finger and kept going.

People nowadays also use the phrase “judging their words according to the context in which they were spoken”…pertaining to the Founding Father’s…in order to support and justify their own agenda. Even when they’re on opposite sides of the spectrum…! The anti-gun people use that very phrase to devalue and deemphasize the 2nd Amendment nowadays. Others use it to justify the imposition of a Christian theocracy.

Seems if ‘Christians’ were really concerned about extending the ministry of Jesus, the best way to do that would be through their personal lives, rather than forcing their beliefs upon others through governmental actions.

Once long ago, a handful of disenfranchised Jews who were crushed between the Roman Empire and the organized religion of the Jewish Temple, maintained and exercised their personal faith in a resurrected savior…and changed the world. And they didn’t do so by forcing their beliefs upon others through governmental actions.

You’re presenting a false dichotomy and ignoring my points. What say you of the words of the Declaration of Independence? What was the point of those words if I am so wrong as you suggest? Do you recognize that there is an awful lot of real estate between what I’ve argued which is not against religious freedom but for a different interpretation of it based upon the time & place of the writing of the Constitution and the “forcing of their beliefs upon others through for governmental actions”? Consider how the interpretation I’ve suggested was implemented in allowances for legal immigration, and how much of the cultural problems we face today are due to people who have no common ground with American culture coming without any intention of assimilation. This is detrimental not only for American culture but also for those who come without intention of assimilation; they might likely be happier elsewhere if they don’t share our ideals, yes? It’s a big world. Or would you suggest there is no American culture? Or perhaps your hatred of the Christian Church would have you believe that our culture is actually an anti-culture, characterized by the idea that the FFs didn’t really believe that God had in fact endowed anyone with anything, or that it mattered not from whence freedom is derived?

Nothing that you’ve said above diminishes what I’ve said above. In any way. And the highlighted accusation that you made above…although it caught me off guard coming from you…doesn’t surprise me at all that it’s coming from a ‘Christian’. It’s, unfortunately, a typical ‘Christian’ response when one simply has a differing opinion about certain matters such as these.

What we have as the result of having sought after the “ideals” you argue for is the definitive proof of what Jefferson implied in the DOI; that to set aside the Creator was to kneel to capricious and unlimited state power, and the resultant obliteration of individual rights.

For whatever your reasons you’re simply an anti Christian troll that will spend days arguing. I’m not going to waste that time. Our founders views on Christianity were well stated right down to the very core concept of inalienable rights bestowed by our creator and notion that without a God their would be no natural God given rights.

Nothing that you’ve said above diminishes what I’ve said above. In any way. And the highlighted accusation that you made above…although it caught me off guard coming from you…doesn’t surprise me at all that it’s coming from a ‘Christian’. It’s, unfortunately, a typical ‘Christian’ response when one simply has a differing opinion about certain matters such as these.

Our founders views on Christianity were well stated right down to the very core concept of inalienable rights bestowed by our creator and notion that without a God their would be no natural God given rights.

Religion and politics clearly don’t mix very well. Most of the Founder’s may have believed in God, but they also believed in the rightness of separation of church and state, and they most certainly didn’t believe that there should be a state religion. They were all about freedom of religion and freedom from religion. “Freedom” was the operative word for the Founder’s.

Did the Holy Roman Empire…which was a lot more Roman and a lot more Empire than it was Holy…set aside the Creator in order to force its subjects to kneel to capricious and unlimited state power, with the resultant obliteration of individual rights…?

Your vague generalities don’t address the specific points;

First, I’m good with conversing with you. We have differences of opinion regarding some things, and that’s OK. Second, I think I’ve been quite clear, from my very first post on this thread. You may disagree with my position and/or views regarding these things, and that’s OK too.

Do people filter their faith through their politics…? Or do they filter their politics through their faith…? I see a clear difference between the two, and one is much more amenable to the “balance” that you refer to than is the other.

Do people filter their faith through their politics…? Or do they filter their politics through their faith…? I see a clear difference between the two, and one is much more amenable to the “balance” that you refer to than is the other.

Would my comment that you hate the Church (which you said was incorrect and I accept that) have been ok if I’d have said something about it as an institution? I don’t want to mischaracterize your positions but to avoid doing so I need to understand.

Faith is unrelated to either... always has been... and always will be.

If a man sees it differently,,, it a direct affront to his Faith.

I’m attracted to Jesus’ ekklesia. ‘Organized religion’…not so much.

Maybe we define politics differently but how is this possible?

How do we, as men of faith, not bring our faith into the voting booth with us?

Isn’t part of the reason why we appreciate Conservative nominees to the SCOTUS their willingness to (at least according to the materialists) “bring their religion” into the politics of abortion?

I mean just a citation of scripture is a political statement; Christ was reminding us of God’s place over the state, because Ceasars imagine was on the coin, and God’s image is on us (ie we’re made in His image) which is to say we don’t belong to the state contra Caesar’s assertions otherwise.

Genuinely trying to understand here because I think that there have to be differences in the ways we’re defining terms?

"...a citation of scripture is a political statement."

Only if you allow it to be.

It can also be a statement of non politics...

Seek ONLY God.

Nothing that you’ve said above diminishes what I’ve said above. In any way. And the highlighted accusation that you made above…although it caught me off guard coming from you…doesn’t surprise me at all that it’s coming from a ‘Christian’. It’s, unfortunately, a typical ‘Christian’ response when one simply has a differing opinion about certain matters such as these.