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Originally Posted by Featherweight6555

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https://youtu.be/KKvbAfvtqqQ

Not dog related but still a pretty good moose vs auto pistol clip.


At least he should have taken the tender loins.

that idiot should have been charged with provoking that. Those kind of stupid Mofos bother me.


What would you have done?
I know what I would have done which is turn around , you?

sit and wait. Turn around. Take the trail to the left they are sitting at in the first of the video. Stupidity cost that moose her life. His stupidity.


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Originally Posted by rost495
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https://youtu.be/KKvbAfvtqqQ

Not dog related but still a pretty good moose vs auto pistol clip.

At least he should have taken the tender loins.

that idiot should have been charged with provoking that. Those kind of stupid Mofos bother me.

Yup. That Ahole should have caught a ticket at minimum.

That video has been posted before, and it seems he was cited?


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I hope he was. He doesn't need a skidoo or a gun.


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Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by rost495
Originally Posted by ElmerKeith
Originally Posted by OAM
https://youtu.be/KKvbAfvtqqQ

Not dog related but still a pretty good moose vs auto pistol clip.

At least he should have taken the tender loins.

that idiot should have been charged with provoking that. Those kind of stupid Mofos bother me.

Yup. That Ahole should have caught a ticket at minimum.

That video has been posted before, and it seems he was cited?

Moose with ears back and headed your way are nothing to mess with. The idiot deserves a serious citation!


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Derek found a Taurus Ti in 44spl for me a couple years ago. 5 rounds of hardcast (not concerned about full penetration) makes me feel better than 6 in 357... and with less weight.


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Totally inexperienced here and Totally in the "carry a potent pistol" camp. Honest question. What about a marine grade air horn? (Hand held, compressed air kind, not peterbuilt mounted) At first sight, guy on snow machine had a moose that seemed "on the fence". Obnoxiously sharp, unnatural blast from air horn might chase it off?
By all means once it's closing, go for guns. Just wondering. Don't everyone get their panties twisted, Honest question.


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Bummer of a situation about the dogs.

I've become a fan of the 10mm as a balance of power and capacity.

You never know, an air horn might work sometimes, on some animals. It just won't get carried if you also are carrying a gun, and you can't get out of that.

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Originally Posted by OGB
Totally inexperienced here and Totally in the "carry a potent pistol" camp. Honest question. What about a marine grade air horn? (Hand held, compressed air kind, not peterbuilt mounted) At first sight, guy on snow machine had a moose that seemed "on the fence". Obnoxiously sharp, unnatural blast from air horn might chase it off?
By all means once it's closing, go for guns. Just wondering. Don't everyone get their panties twisted, Honest question.

As cwh2 said, why? When you will have the greatest need for a gun, pack a gun.

The moron in the video saw the moose at plenty of distance. The moose was already agitated, ears back, hackles up. He tried to scare it off the trail by revving his engine and then advanced on the young bull. If the idiot wanted to get around the moose he should have gone around. Chances are good someone in his party pissed the moose off before the idiot arrived.


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Can't say I'm an expert but a 380? And it jammed?

A sad story indeed. As others have stated, a more decisive and dependable handgun may have yielded different results. My 5ft 2in daughter routinely shoots my Glock 10mm with 200 gr Underwood ammo and is quite accurate with it. A magazine full of Buffalo Bore 9mm Sportsman would likely be more effective than a 380. I do carry my Glock 48 loaded with Underwood 147 gr and a spare mag similarly loaded when goofing around in TN but the 10mm/200gr + extra mag goes when I'm out west.


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The moose in the snowmobile video was a Shirus in Utah so much smaller animal than your Alskan moose. I remember when it happened. He shot it with a 9mm. As i recall he didn't get charged by the DNR but it was hotly debated around here. There were a couple riders ahead of him that had riden bast that moose and had it ajitated when he got there. Total screw up in my mind.Our moose in Utah are struggling as it is without people chacing them around in the Winter.


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There was a guy that got stomped in anchorage quite a while back. Apparently a bunch of kids were messing with a moose and then left. He showed up and paid the price for them harassing it.

Think of that story when I run into an ornery one, or when I make a joke to my wife and she rips my head off. No way of knowing what was going on in an animals mind before you arrived on the scene.

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The thing about this that really get under my skin is that as an Alaskan, she should have know better. My guess is that regardless if she was shooting a 9 or 10mm, she was using the wrong bullets and didn't have enough of them. Guide Phil Shoemaker, who frequents this site, killed a brown bear at point blank range with a 9mm, he had the right ammo, you really can't blame the firearm if you don't load it with proper cartridges. If she were a tourist from the lower 48, I'd get it, ignorance abounds, but she is not.

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Originally Posted by 257Bob
The thing about this that really get under my skin is that as an Alaskan, she should have know better. My guess is that regardless if she was shooting a 9 or 10mm, she was using the wrong bullets and didn't have enough of them. Guide Phil Shoemaker, who frequents this site, killed a brown bear at point blank range with a 9mm, he had the right ammo, you really can't blame the firearm if you don't load it with proper cartridges. If she were a tourist from the lower 48, I'd get it, ignorance abounds, but she is not.



Those 147 grain flat nose hard cast like Phil used really penetrates well. That bullet is the only bullet in 9mm that I have seen penetrate 1/8" steel plate






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The thing about this that really get under my skin is that as an Alaskan, she should have know better. My guess is that regardless if she was shooting a 9 or 10mm, she was using the wrong bullets and didn't have enough of them. Guide Phil Shoemaker, who frequents this site, killed a brown bear at point blank range with a 9mm, he had the right ammo, you really can't blame the firearm if you don't load it with proper cartridges. If she were a tourist from the lower 48, I'd get it, ignorance abounds, but she is not.



Those 147 grain flat nose hard cast like Phil used really penetrates well. That bullet is the only bullet in 9mm that I have seen penetrate 1/8" steel plate






I spent six weeks blundering around Alaska as a tourist a couple years ago, I carried my Glock 9mm everywhere I went, most others I saw on the trails were carrying some combo of semi-autos or revolvers. Mine was stuffed with 17 rounds of Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman, the same load Phil S carried. I know I was still way under gunned but at least I had a fighting chance. Sadly, a local man was killed near Eagle River on a trail I had visited the same day. It was very windy and we called our hike early as not wanting to round a corner on the river and find an unsuspecting bear. I have since upped my game with a Glock 10mm with the same ammo, maybe still not enough but I'll take 15 rounds of a 10mm I can shoot well over 5 rounds of a 45 that weighs as much as a small rifle that I may get off one or two shots.

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Most times I have ever come to being injured by a wild animal; it has been a moose. I can recall four times that I have had close calls with angry moose. Twice I was well armed (35 Whelen rifle) and twice I was unarmed (once on a motorcycle, once in a car. I have had some close encounters with bears but it was the moose which I felt lucky to have escaped. GD

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Any "little" thing can piss 'em off. It was early June, and things were greening up, so winter -stress should have been going away....

I went out on the carport to tighten rivets on the aluminum flat bottom boat. Ornery - a 2 year old bull - was bedded about 40yards away. I banged away at a few rivets and looked up in time to see him coming full bore, hackles up, ears down. I was about 6 steps from the door and barely made it to slam in his face. He stood there, literally with his face pressed against the window glass. He had rammed the edge of the deck stairs in turning the corner, and knocked my Pentax SLR film camera off onto the concrete, busting it all to hell.

He was an extraordinarily bad tempered moose, having charged virtually everyone in the neighborhood without much provocation. That made twice for me .

I think my neighbor (a bit of a renegade himself) poached and ate him shortly there-after.

Good riddance.


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Sled builder/Iditarod musher Rick Armstrong used a 44 special. It was some sort of compact light-weight charter arms.

Slim, with a 5 shot cylinder, and only 22-25 oz. 7m not familiar with them though.

Anyhow, springfield takes the cake at 27 oz with this newly released fiesty compact:

https://www.springfield-armory.com/.../xd-m-elite-38-compact-osp-10mm-handgun/

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Reading her statements she sounds much more like an idiot teenager than an accomplished musher......



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