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Exactly on spot.

The ANC has always been close comrades with the ruskies. I'm not saying he isn't correct. It would be interesting to know what the truth really is. I just know it started in 2014 with Obama, Biden, and Soros. I'm no Poohtin fan but I can't trust anything those other 3 are involved in.

Bb

Maybe Poland, Hungary and others learned the hard way about the value of being "neighbors" of Russia under its previous incarnation and wish to avoid a repeat of that experience. Ukraine is hardly a paragon of virtue but is less of a threat to Russia than is Mexico to us. Putin knows that NATO is zero threat and is doing what he chooses knowing that the West will do what is easy, not what is right.

Did some one actually say ZOG?


PTL, amen



mike r

Russia has proven that they are the primary threat to peace in Europe, as they are the only country to initiate armed conflict in Europe since 1945. Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, and Ukraine have all experienced Russian aggression.

Chechnya is mostly Muslim and has been primarily the aggressor as Muslims typically are towards non Muslim neighbors everywhere else. Much of Georgia was pro Russia and something like 90% of Crimea was pro Russia it was their own government that was opposed to it not the average citizen which was overwhelmingly on the side of Russia and viewed themselves as Russian. Ukraine was already in what amounted to a civil war or at best something that mirrored “the troubles” in Northern Ireland with a pro Russian East and pro Eastern Europe West.

None of that is anywhere near as clear cut as you described and all of it involved Russias own borders unlike the US getting involved in wars and conflicts half a word away that are none of our business other than to serve the wants of global elites.

Our brand of exporting liberty always ends with thousands of dead innocent civilians, poverty, theft on a monumental scale, and evil men left in control.

Using those criteria America has been a hundred times worse than Russia. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq twice, Syria, Afghanistan, Panama. None of these countries represented a threat, were of zero use strategically and were not even close to our borders.

Yep,

At least we left South Korea a better place. Vietnam we went against the popularly elected government and cost thousands of lives on all side and all of it for nothing. We used a hoax to invade Iraq and left not only Iraq worse off but most of the world worse off through making Iran the powerbroker in the Middle East. We wasted money in Syria and wasted a whole heap of money In Afghanistan meddling in their politics to no good end. It’s sickening to think what the money we wasted their as an invading force could have done to improve our own country.

Anyone that thinks that our government going into all of these places has been done to make our lives better while flooding our borders with illegal aliens is nuts.

Korea was a UN operation.

Desert Storm was in reaction to the Iraqi invasion and occupation of Kuwait and also, at least in part, to protect the continued flow of Saudi oil from an embolden Saddam Hussein. It was a coalition of nations, not just the U.S.

I agree that none of the rest of those other wars was a clear and present danger to the U.S., at least they weren't when viewed after the fact with 20/20 hindsight. They may have seemed justified using the information and perspective present at that time. I have long felt, and posted against it on this site, that the second war against Iraq that deposed SH was a mistake because it removed a fairly strong opponent to counter Iran. I feel that the second war against Iraq was done for the benefit of Israel and because GHB and the people pulling his strings wanted to do a regime change and practice nation building. Don't forget that Colin Powell opposed the second war against Iraq and Powell was smarter than the average bear. If not for his role in covering up the Mei Lai Massacre, CP could have been our first AA POTUS instead of BHO.

Don't forget Granada.

EDIT: I'm just an old guy, born when DDE was POTUS, who isn't particularly interested in politics or imposing my beliefs on others. I am not an evangelist or zealot for any particular political cause or perspective, as I believe that all people have the GOD given right to believe in what they want to believe in and to live their lives accordingly. For example, we gave the people of Afghanistan the opportunity to determine what sort of government they wanted and after 20 years of fighting to support a democratic government that we installed and preferred, the people overwhelmingly ignored it, wouldn't fight for it, and by doing so showed that, as a group, they preferred the theocratic Taliban. Seemingly a "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink" scenario. I am also not and don't claim to be an expert in politics or foreign affairs.

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