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I may not be smart but I can lift heavy objects
I have a shotgun so I have no need for a 30-06.....
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NRA had a book out NRA Gunsmithing Guide -Updated that had an entire section devoted to it,if it is still in print Are there any internet/youtube sites with examples to include angles, measurements?
I note a pretty good drop at the heel for the rifles pictured in the post above. NRA had a book out NRA Gunsmithing Guide -Updated that had an entire section devoted to it,if it is still in print. Jim Carmichel did an article on "Profiting From Stock . quite awhile back Gil Sengel had an article published "Stock Pitch in a light gunsmithing column also, but it has been awhile
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Art Alphin of A-Square designed the Hannibal stock around taming the recoil of the heavy African calibers they were chambered in. I recall one feature was a wider butt to spread out to recoil force.
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Thick recoil pad, wide and tall recoil pad, angle on recoil pad, large grip to get good purchase on, roll over or Montecarlo comb (for me)
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If I ever find anyone that knows how to fit a stock to me, I will be happy to become a customer.
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I couldn't say what features of a stock diminish or augment felt recoil, but I once had a 700 Mountain Rifle in .280 Remington. The very first shot hurt me and every subsequent shot taken hurt me. I don't think the weight of the rifle was the reason because my next .280 was a 77 Mark II that weighed four of five ounces more but was a pussycat, like every other .280 I've owned and fired. There was just something about the stock on that rifle and the way it didn't fit me, I suppose. I am not sorry it's gone.
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I have/had (son has it now) a Ruger 77 in 7mm RM and never felt that rifle recoiled unpleasantly. Thinking about it, I guess I don't have any of what I would consider really hard-recoiling rifles except my Marlin Guide Gun. It is unpleasant to shoot with hot-rod 400 grain 45-70 loads. I have a Kimber 8400 Classic in .300 WSM that is not much fun to shoot much off the bench. IME, shooting off the bench is another whole deal with regard to recoil and how it affects you. I've also heard it said that big, heavy people whose mass is more resistant to moving with the recoil suffer more than lesser-framed people whose bodies tend to "roll with the punch".
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My Win 94 30-30 hurts to shoot. My Browning BAR 338WM 250 gr 2500 fps does not hurt to shoot.
The differences: 1) butt area [spread the recoil force over more area to get local pressure below 20 psi threshold of skin pain] 2) rifle weight [reduce the rearward velocity of the recoiling rifle ] 3) Limbsaver recoil pad [reduce peak shoulder force, by spread the slowing down the rifle over time as the pad compresses] 4) Semi auto action [spread the force to slow down recoiling rifle over time] 5) Recoil pad is thick and the right softness [to comply with the shoulder shape, and thus increase shoulder area in contact]
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Straight stocks seem to "hurt less" for me.
I have 2 Remington m7600s chambered in 35 Whelen. One has the Montecarlo stock. The other is straight.
Shooting the same exact 225gr handloads, the Montecarlo no question hurts more.
I have a Kimber Montana that's under 6lbs and in 358win and a m700 in a Browns Precision Pound'r with a straight comb....it's right about 6.25 scoped if I recall...250gr TTSX at 2350fps....recoil in both doesn't bother me.
A good recoil pad helps soften the blow. The 7600s have the factory plastic plates. I never thought in 400 years they'd feel so different.
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The worst kicking gun I have ever shot was a late 70s 700 ADL in 30-06 that damn thing was brutal. Straight stock and plastic butt plate I ended up getting rid of it and kicked myself for it. A couple of years ago I found another one identical to it hardly shot and at $350 it went home for the action alone. I decided to shoot a generic load through it and it kicked just as hard as the other one did.
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Worst--Win 95 carbine in 30-40 Next worst--Marlin 336 in 444 Browning Mauser(?) in 375 H&H was milder than either. Big butts and rounded combs for soft recoil. Bruce
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