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Re: Your personal best. Ky221 #17256316 05/17/22
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Osky Campfire Tracker O Joined: Dec 2019 Posts: 3,723	Originally Posted by Ky221 Originally Posted by Osky Originally Posted by Ky221 Originally Posted by blairvt Originally Posted by Ky221 Originally Posted by blairvt only been pike fishing once, headed back in a few weeks. The other is my daughters best, she thought it smelled bad. That's a very nice and clean Muskie. Like the Gheenoe too😎 Caught on the New River in Virginia. Use to be an awesome Small Mouth river and occasionally catch a Muskie. Now, guys who know what they are doing catch 3 a day and the smallmouth are harder to come by. I mean on a good trip you could catch 100 smallies. Some good ones. They say the Muskies don't eat the small mouth but I don't believe it. Lol they don't. At least not in a large part. Muskies 10-1 prefer soft rayed fish (suckers, carp etc). Been a ton of studies done on this subject. Where Muskies are shocked, then stomach contents flushed. I can't remember the percentages but when it comes to bass, bluegill, etc.....it's extremely low. Ever notice that some of the best smallie and walleye lakes are also first class Muskie fisheries? Lake st Clair, lake of the woods, come to mind. I would challenge that line of thinking. I guide from Minnesota to the northern limits of musky range in Canada for musky and can tell you they do not discriminate. They may have preferences but I have seen countless muskies attack smallmouth on the line from the Mississippi on north. I have had many attack walleyes being reeled in as well. I know of many terrific smallie lakes in Ontario that have primarily Muskie, lake trout, and bass for game species and whitefish and Cisco for forage base where every client will have Musky hit bass on the line at some time during the day. It’s very common. As they get larger in those lakes the trophy’s tend to move out deep and prey from below on the Cisco and whitefish schools. Trolling under those huge schools in open water produces wonderful musky and pike as well if they share the water. Musky are eating machines period. We even have multiple instances i recent years of musky in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Canada attacking people with their feet hanging in the water while sitting on docks. Osky And there is a perfectly logical reason for that. It's a "fish in distress". Doesn't matter what the species is, a bigger fish sees a fish "fighting on a line" it's going to trigger the predatory instinct. You can challenge that line of thinking or you can look up Muskie diets and stomach contents that are actually factual and evidence backed. They are seemingly a fresh study released every year. Hard rayed fish are a VERY small percent of the diet. Muskies will Also hammer other smaller Muskies when on the line, same with northern pike.....but they are not part of the general diet and not negatively impacting other game fish populations. Again. Check LSC, lake of the woods, eagle lake, etc etc etc etc the list goes on. If that were the case....you could not have both a world class bass lake and a world class Muskie lake working together. Eating machines LOL! Muskies are SUPER LAZY fish. And they in fact do not eat everyday. A big Muskie might go 2-: days between feeds. If they were eating machines they would be easier to catch. Because they are a pretty stupid fish. As far as smoking toes off the dock. It's funny to me that when bluegill do it....it's cute. When a Muskie does it, he's a ferocious eating machine. If a fish sees something moving in the water, and thinks he can eat it.....he's going to. Idc what the species is. I've spent all of my adult life around these fish....nothing conjures up more "stories and false assumptions" than a Muskie. Start chasing the fish, and you'll soon lay a bunch of this to rest. I will believe my own eyes and experience, and also studies for sure, I do not claim to be an expert. All of your adult life is terrific. I have worked on and guided on water for the mentioned fish since the summer of 69 when I started as a dock boy in the northern fly in camps of Ontario and Manitoba. While I am not the expert you are I will tap back on 50 plus years of experience. You bring up examples of lakes like LOW. That is a massive lake where there are not enough musky overall to cause big changes. I’ve fished most of the water from Angle Inlet up to Kenora particularly ( a ton of it anyway ) and plenty of musky are there but not nearly enough to influence any fish population. Smaller waters they can and do. The same for the Mississippi down north of Minneapolis, plenty of room for all. Your example of other species of fish nipping at toes seems to make my point. Muskies are no more lazy than any other fish for the most part. Sunnies bite, and they don’t. Crappies the same, walleyes…etc. I have found changing weather conditions affect musky more than anything, full belly or not. A very skittish fish to be sure but that mode can be mitigated a bit by stained water, cautious fishing methods, long lining etc. I’ve grown a bit tired of muskies other than the fantastic table fare they are. The vast majority of my clients now prefer fishing trophy pike versus musky and I enjoy it as well so maybe I’m too far behind the current musky wisdom these days. That’s fine. A lifetime on the water and someone is telling me to start chasing fish. Thank you for that advice. Osky Last edited by Osky; 05/17/22. A woman's heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth and I can find no sign on it.

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Re: Your personal best. Ky221 #17256357 05/17/22
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TrueGrit Campfire Tracker T Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 5,171 Middle Georgia	Uncle Ben with a couple of nice Muskie's. I've never caught a muskie myself, but I've never fished in the fall for them. Last edited by TrueGrit; 05/17/22. Life is good live it while you can.

Re: Your personal best. TrueGrit #17256661 05/17/22
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Osky Campfire Tracker O Joined: Dec 2019 Posts: 3,723	Originally Posted by TrueGrit Uncle Ben with a couple of nice Muskie's. I've never caught a muskie myself, but I've never fished in the fall for them. Left is very chunky. Beauty. From what area? Osky A woman's heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth and I can find no sign on it.

Re: Your personal best. Ky221 #17256895 05/17/22
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358Norma_fan Campfire Regular Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,057 Anchorage Ak	Caught and released a 53" Kenai river King on my boat a couple seasons ago. No pic but I have go pro video of it in the net with me putting the tape on him. I couldn't even get my hand around the wrist to pull him out of the net. I still bring it up and watch it from time to time just to get the chills again. "243/85TSX It's as if the HAMMER OF THOR were wielded by CHUCK NORRIS himself, and a roundhouse kick thrown in for good measure."

Re: Your personal best. Ky221 #17257043 05/17/22
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zcm82 Campfire Tracker Z Joined: Sep 2021 Posts: 3,049 Illinois	Not the biggest by weight, but my favorite fish of all time. 32" 16#4oz carp on an ultralight with 6# mono 5 years ago when I was fishing for spring suckers. Took me about 20 minutes to get it in the boat without popping the line. Still consider it my "best" catch to date. I also had my then 3 year old in the boat with me, which made things extra interesting with him dancing around me trying to "help" 😏

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Re: Your personal best. Osky #17257065 05/17/22
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OP Ky221 Campfire Tracker K Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,689	Originally Posted by Osky Originally Posted by Ky221 Originally Posted by Osky Originally Posted by Ky221 Originally Posted by blairvt Originally Posted by Ky221 Originally Posted by blairvt only been pike fishing once, headed back in a few weeks. The other is my daughters best, she thought it smelled bad. That's a very nice and clean Muskie. Like the Gheenoe too😎 Caught on the New River in Virginia. Use to be an awesome Small Mouth river and occasionally catch a Muskie. Now, guys who know what they are doing catch 3 a day and the smallmouth are harder to come by. I mean on a good trip you could catch 100 smallies. Some good ones. They say the Muskies don't eat the small mouth but I don't believe it. Lol they don't. At least not in a large part. Muskies 10-1 prefer soft rayed fish (suckers, carp etc). Been a ton of studies done on this subject. Where Muskies are shocked, then stomach contents flushed. I can't remember the percentages but when it comes to bass, bluegill, etc.....it's extremely low. Ever notice that some of the best smallie and walleye lakes are also first class Muskie fisheries? Lake st Clair, lake of the woods, come to mind. I would challenge that line of thinking. I guide from Minnesota to the northern limits of musky range in Canada for musky and can tell you they do not discriminate. They may have preferences but I have seen countless muskies attack smallmouth on the line from the Mississippi on north. I have had many attack walleyes being reeled in as well. I know of many terrific smallie lakes in Ontario that have primarily Muskie, lake trout, and bass for game species and whitefish and Cisco for forage base where every client will have Musky hit bass on the line at some time during the day. It’s very common. As they get larger in those lakes the trophy’s tend to move out deep and prey from below on the Cisco and whitefish schools. Trolling under those huge schools in open water produces wonderful musky and pike as well if they share the water. Musky are eating machines period. We even have multiple instances i recent years of musky in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Canada attacking people with their feet hanging in the water while sitting on docks. Osky And there is a perfectly logical reason for that. It's a "fish in distress". Doesn't matter what the species is, a bigger fish sees a fish "fighting on a line" it's going to trigger the predatory instinct. You can challenge that line of thinking or you can look up Muskie diets and stomach contents that are actually factual and evidence backed. They are seemingly a fresh study released every year. Hard rayed fish are a VERY small percent of the diet. Muskies will Also hammer other smaller Muskies when on the line, same with northern pike.....but they are not part of the general diet and not negatively impacting other game fish populations. Again. Check LSC, lake of the woods, eagle lake, etc etc etc etc the list goes on. If that were the case....you could not have both a world class bass lake and a world class Muskie lake working together. Eating machines LOL! Muskies are SUPER LAZY fish. And they in fact do not eat everyday. A big Muskie might go 2-: days between feeds. If they were eating machines they would be easier to catch. Because they are a pretty stupid fish. As far as smoking toes off the dock. It's funny to me that when bluegill do it....it's cute. When a Muskie does it, he's a ferocious eating machine. If a fish sees something moving in the water, and thinks he can eat it.....he's going to. Idc what the species is. I've spent all of my adult life around these fish....nothing conjures up more "stories and false assumptions" than a Muskie. Start chasing the fish, and you'll soon lay a bunch of this to rest. I will believe my own eyes and experience, and also studies for sure, I do not claim to be an expert. All of your adult life is terrific. I have worked on and guided on water for the mentioned fish since the summer of 69 when I started as a dock boy in the northern fly in camps of Ontario and Manitoba. While I am not the expert you are I will tap back on 50 plus years of experience. You bring up examples of lakes like LOW. That is a massive lake where there are not enough musky overall to cause big changes. I’ve fished most of the water from Angle Inlet up to Kenora particularly ( a ton of it anyway ) and plenty of musky are there but not nearly enough to influence any fish population. Smaller waters they can and do. The same for the Mississippi down north of Minneapolis, plenty of room for all. Your example of other species of fish nipping at toes seems to make my point. Muskies are no more lazy than any other fish for the most part. Sunnies bite, and they don’t. Crappies the same, walleyes…etc. I have found changing weather conditions affect musky more than anything, full belly or not. A very skittish fish to be sure but that mode can be mitigated a bit by stained water, cautious fishing methods, long lining etc. I’ve grown a bit tired of muskies other than the fantastic table fare they are. The vast majority of my clients now prefer fishing trophy pike versus musky and I enjoy it as well so maybe I’m too far behind the current musky wisdom these days. That’s fine. A lifetime on the water and someone is telling me to start chasing fish. Thank you for that advice. Osky Ah, the classic I'm older than you and therefore know everything. Fwiw I fish water so small you can't even begin to imagine. Muskies have been there for eons, as have the bass. And the fishing is great . Lol.I'll not bother wasting anymore time for you or myself. No matter how bright the light, some just don't seem to see it. Take care.

Re: Your personal best. Ky221 #17257488 05/17/22
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,355 Charlotte, NC B blairvt Campfire Tracker
blairvt Campfire Tracker B Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,355 Charlotte, NC	Originally Posted by Ky221 Originally Posted by blairvt Originally Posted by Ky221 Originally Posted by Osky Originally Posted by Ky221 Originally Posted by blairvt Originally Posted by Ky221 Originally Posted by blairvt only been pike fishing once, headed back in a few weeks. The other is my daughters best, she thought it smelled bad. That's a very nice and clean Muskie. Like the Gheenoe too😎 Caught on the New River in Virginia. Use to be an awesome Small Mouth river and occasionally catch a Muskie. Now, guys who know what they are doing catch 3 a day and the smallmouth are harder to come by. I mean on a good trip you could catch 100 smallies. Some good ones. They say the Muskies don't eat the small mouth but I don't believe it. Lol they don't. At least not in a large part. Muskies 10-1 prefer soft rayed fish (suckers, carp etc). Been a ton of studies done on this subject. Where Muskies are shocked, then stomach contents flushed. I can't remember the percentages but when it comes to bass, bluegill, etc.....it's extremely low. Ever notice that some of the best smallie and walleye lakes are also first class Muskie fisheries? Lake st Clair, lake of the woods, come to mind. I would challenge that line of thinking. I guide from Minnesota to the northern limits of musky range in Canada for musky and can tell you they do not discriminate. They may have preferences but I have seen countless muskies attack smallmouth on the line from the Mississippi on north. I have had many attack walleyes being reeled in as well. I know of many terrific smallie lakes in Ontario that have primarily Muskie, lake trout, and bass for game species and whitefish and Cisco for forage base where every client will have Musky hit bass on the line at some time during the day. It’s very common. As they get larger in those lakes the trophy’s tend to move out deep and prey from below on the Cisco and whitefish schools. Trolling under those huge schools in open water produces wonderful musky and pike as well if they share the water. Musky are eating machines period. We even have multiple instances i recent years of musky in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Canada attacking people with their feet hanging in the water while sitting on docks. Osky And there is a perfectly logical reason for that. It's a "fish in distress". Doesn't matter what the species is, a bigger fish sees a fish "fighting on a line" it's going to trigger the predatory instinct. You can challenge that line of thinking or you can look up Muskie diets and stomach contents that are actually factual and evidence backed. They are seemingly a fresh study released every year. Hard rayed fish are a VERY small percent of the diet. Muskies will Also hammer other smaller Muskies when on the line, same with northern pike.....but they are not part of the general diet and not negatively impacting other game fish populations. Again. Check LSC, lake of the woods, eagle lake, etc etc etc etc the list goes on. If that were the case....you could not have both a world class bass lake and a world class Muskie lake working together. Eating machines LOL! Muskies are SUPER LAZY fish. And they in fact do not eat everyday. A big Muskie might go 2-: days between feeds. If they were eating machines they would be easier to catch. Because they are a pretty stupid fish. As far as smoking toes off the dock. It's funny to me that when bluegill do it....it's cute. When a Muskie does it, he's a ferocious eating machine. If a fish sees something moving in the water, and thinks he can eat it.....he's going to. Idc what the species is. I've spent all of my adult life around these fish....nothing conjures up more "stories and false assumptions" than a Muskie. Start chasing the fish, and you'll soon lay a bunch of this to rest. I hear the same thing from the State. But the small mouth, redeye and blue gill population is nothing like it was 20 years ago. A couple hour canoe trip would get you over 100 smallies and redeyes. I haven't caught a single redeye in years in the the New River. Funny, buddy guides on new river and HAMMERS the Smallies and rock bass, and walleye, and Muskies. 😂😂 What part of the New? I still catch a few nice ones in the Radford Va area but the numbers just aren't there like they use to be

Re: Your personal best. Ky221 #17257510 05/17/22
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OP Ky221 Campfire Tracker K Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,689	I don't fish the New so I can't tell you the town he fishes exactly but he lives in Beckley WV. So it's the WV side of the new.

Re: Your personal best. Ky221 #17257535 05/17/22
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pal Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 11,034 so cal	Best carp 28" on a 5-weight flyrod. "There's more to optics than meets the eye."--anon "...most of us would be better off losing half a pound around the waist than half a pound on our rifle."--dhg

Re: Your personal best. pal #17258211 05/18/22
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Osky Campfire Tracker O Joined: Dec 2019 Posts: 3,723	Originally Posted by pal Best carp 28" on a 5-weight flyrod. That looks like fun. I’m not a fly rod guy but more and more people ask me about that type of fishing in Minnesota, becoming very popular. Knowing how big carp get that has to be a handful. Osky A woman's heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth and I can find no sign on it.

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Re: Your personal best. Osky #17258261 05/18/22
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TrueGrit Campfire Tracker T Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 5,171 Middle Georgia	Originally Posted by Osky Originally Posted by TrueGrit Uncle Ben with a couple of nice Muskie's. I've never caught a muskie myself, but I've never fished in the fall for them. Left is very chunky. Beauty. From what area? Osky Somewhere between Grindstone and Wolf island on the Saint Lawrence river. Life is good live it while you can.

Re: Your personal best. Ky221 #17258522 05/18/22
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Windfall Campfire Tracker Joined: Sep 2017 Posts: 4,371 WI./FL.	Carp were never real high on my hit list, but I did hear Al Lindner say that if guys aren't fishing for carp, that they are missing out on an opportunity for a strong fighting fish. My other auto is a .45 The bitterness of poor quality is remembered long after the sweetness of low price has faded from memory

Re: Your personal best. Ky221 #17258582 05/18/22
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zcm82 Campfire Tracker Z Joined: Sep 2021 Posts: 3,049 Illinois	Carp are a blast... you hook into a good sized one, it's like having a Buick on the other end of the line. They generally don't do a lot of crazy acrobatics, but they pull like a freight train.

Re: Your personal best. zcm82 #17259303 05/18/22
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blairvt Campfire Tracker B Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,355 Charlotte, NC	Originally Posted by zcm82 Carp are a blast... you hook into a good sized one, it's like having a Buick on the other end of the line. They generally don't do a lot of crazy acrobatics, but they pull like a freight train. I shot a citation carp in the back of the head. You would have thought it would have died. Wrong. It pulled the canoe almost back to the boat launch. Damn that was fun. Don't remember why I quit bow fishing

Re: Your personal best. Ky221 #17274650 05/23/22
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irfubar Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 20,824 Hollywood	My best rainbow, caught two weeks ago on the lake next to my house. 7.5lbs Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.

Re: Your personal best. Ky221 #17274691 05/23/22
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irfubar Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 20,824 Hollywood	Best northern, 43" Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.

Re: Your personal best. Ky221 #17274698 05/23/22
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irfubar Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 20,824 Hollywood	Best lake trout... Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.

Re: Your personal best. Ky221 #17274705 05/23/22
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irfubar Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 20,824 Hollywood	Best cutthroat... 11lb 6oz Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.

Re: Your personal best. Ky221 #17274754 05/23/22
Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 11,034 so cal pal Campfire Outfitter
pal Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 11,034 so cal	Irf--nice catch. "There's more to optics than meets the eye."--anon "...most of us would be better off losing half a pound around the waist than half a pound on our rifle."--dhg

Re: Your personal best. pal #17274788 05/23/22
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irfubar Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 20,824 Hollywood	Originally Posted by pal Irf--nice catch. Thanks Pal... My biggest calico from your neighborhood Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.

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