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Nor does the Second Amendment give US citizens the right to keep and bear arms. It merely acknowledges that this right belongs to every human being, and prohibits it's infringement.
That said, illegal aliens are criminals, and have a right to be captured and returned to wherever they came from, post haste. They may then exercise their right to keep and bear arms in their own country.
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illegal aliens should only have the rights to be arrested and deported.
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Hawkeye, The law may say what you say but , the truth is Illegal's have more rights than you do,
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illegal aliens should only have the rights to be arrested and deported. For sure !!
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Hawkeye, The law may say what you say but , the truth is Illegal's have more rights than you do,
Rio7 Incorrect. Rights are an objective matter, not subject to law. Liberty is subject to law, however, so governments can be oppressive, i.e., restrict the exercise of rights, but that doesn't alter the rights in any way.
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Hawkeye, The law may say what you say but , the truth is Illegal's have more rights than you do,
Rio7 Incorrect. Rights are an objective matter, not subject to law. Liberty is subject to law, however, so governments can be oppressive, i.e., restrict the exercise of rights, but that doesn't alter the rights in any way. Ideologically you might be correct but we are seeing our "rights" taken away and infringed everyday by government and the constitution rendered irrelevant. We have a two tiered legal system that does or does not prosecute depending on which side you are on. Rio7 is absolutely correct.
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Ideologically you might be correct but we are seeing our "rights" taken away and infringed everyday by government and the constitution rendered irrelevant. We have a two tiered legal system that does or does not prosecute depending on which side you are on. Rio7 is absolutely correct. Rights are what they are. Governments don't create, alter, or remove them. Governments that interfere with their exercise are the issue. To the extent that governments do so, they are functioning tyrannically.
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Virtually all of the 'infringements" on the second amendment have been enacted by unelected bureaucrats or by executive order- - - -not by a vote of the people. Disarming the general population to protect the elite has always been the primary goal of tyrannical governments, dating back to long before America came into being.
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Virtually all of the 'infringements" on the second amendment have been enacted by unelected bureaucrats or by executive order- - - -not by a vote of the people. Disarming the general population to protect the elite has always been the primary goal of tyrannical governments, dating back to long before America came into being. God forbid our rights be contingent upon a vote by the people. The Founders were correct in to whom they afforded voting rights.
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Ideologically you might be correct but we are seeing our "rights" taken away and infringed everyday by government and the constitution rendered irrelevant. We have a two tiered legal system that does or does not prosecute depending on which side you are on. Rio7 is absolutely correct. Rights are what they are. Governments don't create, alter, or remove them. Governments that interfere with their exercise are the issue. To the extent that governments do so, they are functioning tyrannically. Your point is well taken and you are correct as far as you go. I guess the question is how do we stop government from functioning tyrannically and violating our rights? Can we?
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Your point is well taken and you are correct as far as you go. I guess the question is how do we stop government from functioning tyrannically and violating our rights? Can we? The Founders had a theory on that, and put it into writing. They called it the US Constitution.
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Your point is well taken and you are correct as far as you go. I guess the question is how do we stop government from functioning tyrannically and violating our rights? Can we? The Founders had a theory on that, and put it into writing. They called it the US Constitution. Doesn't seem to be working very well right now!
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Your point is well taken and you are correct as far as you go. I guess the question is how do we stop government from functioning tyrannically and violating our rights? Can we? The Founders had a theory on that, and put it into writing. They called it the US Constitution. Doesn't seem to be working very well right now! BINGO
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I'm not sure the U.S. Constitution ,Has anything to do with Government restraint, our rights any more? Rio7
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https://libertyunyielding.com/2022/...o-have-guns-federal-appeals-court-rules/A federal appeals court has upheld a federal law banning illegal aliens from possessing guns, ruling that the Second Amendment does not give illegal aliens the right to keep and bear arms. Yesterday, the Atlanta-based Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals issued a 3-to-0 ruling to that effect in U.S. v. Jimenez-Shilon. The decision discussed the history and historical context of the Second Amendment, and concluded, [Under eighteenth-century law,] aliens could not surreptitiously enter a foreign nation in violation of the immigration prerogatives of the sovereign and expect to receive all the rights and protections of the citizenry. Nor can they do so today. So much for rights being inalienable and granted by God or nature.
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Your point is well taken and you are correct as far as you go. I guess the question is how do we stop government from functioning tyrannically and violating our rights? Can we? The Founders had a theory on that, and put it into writing. They called it the US Constitution. Doesn't seem to be working very well right now! Nope.
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Illegals don't have the right to vote, but they do. Same principal
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Illegals don't have the right to vote, but they do. Same principal Voting is often mischaracterized as a right. It's actually a franchise. That franchise has expanded from what it was originally, but it's still a franchise, not a right (in the sense the Founders meant), and it certainly doesn't extend to non-citizens.
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Was the shooter an illegal alien?
I cannot find that being reported anywhere. Born in North Dakota. Despite precedent, "born on American soil", DOES NOT an American citizen make! "Anchor baby" is a fallacy. Trump was working on killing "citizenship vacations". Pregnant women from foreign countries come to America to "vacation", during which they give birth. Their child would then have "dual citizenship". Their native country and the country they were "born" in.
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martinstrummer,
Being a Citizen of the U.S.A. does not mean as much as it once did. Rio7
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