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I now have 3 FFP MIL riflescopes and have researched some and at times the learning curve is a bit confusing. Also purchased a mil dot master awhile back and still learning how to use it.

So are there any websites that can explain MIL's to an old dog trying to learn a new trick?

Thanks

Deans

The first problem is a lot here think they need FFP on a hunting rifle. Second, there are many videos you can watch that explain how to use the mils on your scope. Do you need either one on a good hunting rifle. No. Good luck with it

Drooling CLUELESS Brokedicks are a Hoot and poor poor(literally) Beezer,is certainly amongst THE Dumbest Of Fhuqks. Hint.

Cite the scopes and I'll make perfect sense,to the chagrin of Window Lickers everywhere. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

Thanks guys. Have a great Memorial Day weekend.

He’s always willing to help.

Do you feel better getting that off your chest?

EXACTLY what scopes do you have? Hint.

EXACTLY what platforms are they aboard? Chamberings/projectiles/velocity/zero distance/ring height/atmosphere and lastly...application? Hint.

Lastly,what phone do you have? Hint.

I can lead you to water,upon a Silver Platter and make it look easy,because it is...for me. Hint................

Don’t try and convert mils to inches. It is irrelevant unless you are using your reticle to range targets. Use your reticle to measure point of aim to point of impact and adjust accordingly. It is that simple.

John

If you are only trying to figure out ballistic corrections the easy button is a Kenton turret. IME the atmospheric variables don't make a significant difference until you get past 450-500 yards so you just range and dial to that range. If you are using it for windage corrections you need to learn that but it isn't rocket science.

This

One of the nice things of a FFP measured reticle is not having to do ANY conversions. Shoot, measure with the reticle, adjust, done.

That’s right. It absolutely blows my friends minds when zeroing a scope on how fast and simple it is. Especially my fiends who come from a Leupold Redfield Simmons Nikon background. Which every one around here does.

Hey Dean...I'll weigh in here and try to save you lots of money and math migraines because I'm of the opinion that for most applications?...knowing your bullet drop along with a decent BDC reticle and/or locking turrets and a quality LRF (laser range finder)?...will save you the guesstimates of milling and the headaches of dealing with an FFP scope and ballistic calcs.

BS thank you for the comeback.

The rifle that I'm concerned with at the moment for elk hunt in December

RAR Go Wild 6.5 CM 22" barrel 8 twist

Bullet Barnes 127 LRX

Velocity 2862 fps

Scope Bushnell LRST i

Scope ht 1.74

Current elevation 200 ft above sea level

New Mexico approx elevation 6500 - 8500 ft


The other two rifles are 7mm-08 Rem Benchmark Barrel 9 twist 24"

Savage High Country .308 10 twist 22" barrel

Both have Sightron S-tac 3-16 x 42 Mil-hash-2

I-phone XS

These two rifles are just sitting in the safe for now. I hope to transfer the info you provide.

Thanks again for your help.

Dean

You have a very useful combo there. I’m a huge fan of the LRTSi. Read this thread. It applies to any mil/mil scope. If you have any questions after that, PM me with your number and we’ll hash it out over the phone.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...le-turrets-and-proper-usage#Post12448503


John

Nice. This is better than PM,as The Astute will connect dots and simply run with it. Hint.

So lets Start At The Fhuqking Start,if only because I know of no other way. Everyone shake their heads EtchaSketch Style,so you can erase all the schit you "think" you "know" and start fresh. Hint.

Firstly,it's an odd train of "thought",that folks "think" they gotta run slide rules,pull socks off to incorporate toes to help count and throw Old Glory away and go "Metrical" instead. Rest assured you don't and better not. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint.

I'll grant courteous assumptions that mounting systems are both Skookum and snugged,along with ammo being true. I don't even use any of my chronographs any more and am happy to trust erectors of repute and tend not to second guess how/where/why bullets land. I'm NOT an App Guy,but Ballistics AE steals the fhuqking show here and will save ALOTTA time,frustration and components. A Ballistic Engine is a Ballistic Engine,but AE is fhuqking intuitive,simple and fast. These are GOOD things. More on that,later. Hint.

Now don't have a Traitorous Fit,that incorporating the rather logical and unerring Base Ten properties of a Mil's lineal angular measurement subtention value,is anything but GREAT fhuqking news. Glass cited track,repeat and hold zero,which is the very crux of a Boolit Steering Device,yet AMAZINGLY overlooked by most. So there's no Fiddle Fhuqkery to convert a Base Ten Unit of measure,to something as fhuqking archaeic as inches,feet or yards,as applied to Boolit Flight/Steering. Simply grab an initial zero,wherever your heart tells you is "right",though most people are in a hurry to fhuqk that up too. For the sake of conversation,let's apply the crux to a 7-08 and 162 ELD at 2700fps. Sight height is 1.75(center of scope,above center of bore) 500' above sea level in an "average" atmosphere. For said configuration,a 200yd zero is familiar waters to me and yet again intuitive,as it requires a +.5 mil of 100yd height to realize. Hint.




Initial data to correlate same and simply use units applicable to your scope(1/10 Mil) and run ALL info in said accord. Fhuqk inches/feet/yards,as none of it applies,so there is NO "conversion". I'm obviously using JBM here,but AE is your Huckleberry as it's obviously portable and don't require service to function. More on that later. Hint.




It's hardly daunting to actually fhuqking shoot and beings you gotta look through a fhuqking scope,to do that,you may as well get something out of it. I'll use a 10x MQ Schematic to pinpoint,pinpointing. "Tick" marks are half Mil,Diamonds are whole Mil. A FFP Variable's values don't change with zoom ratio,in regards to it's scale. I LOVE LRTSi's,but this schematic breaks things down nicely. A Mil is a Mil,is a Mil. Hint.



So now we have sound initial Data(which becomes DOPE after ascertaining any/all corrections),a good mounting system,a sound rifle,happy ammo and a killer fhuqking scope. Time to get serious. Because we're Starting at The Fhuqking Start,it's time to pull the bolt,gawk down the spout and boresight at 25yds. Sure...I'm certainly good enough to start at 100yds,but there's no need to get greedy,with Training Wheels on. Slide bolt back in receiver and fire the initial shot. It really don't make a Flying Fhuqk where it lands,but it will assuredly be on 25yd paper. Now because our reticle is First Focal Plane(FFP),it makes zero fhuqks where the zoom magnification is set,though parallax will bite you. One simply uses the reticle you already done did look through,to extrapolate the bullet hole's relation to the aiming point. With FFP,a Mil is a Mil,is a fhuqking Mil and unerring in it's lineal angular subtention value and accuracy. Let's say it's 1.1 Mil's low and .8 Mil's right. How do you KNOW that? Because the reticle is never not THE Ruler. Adjust in kind and be AMAZED that you've a rough zero,with the very FIRST fhuqking shot. There's no need to fhuqk around at 25yds for a second shot,because said scope tracks,repeats and holds fhuqking zero. Liberating,ain't it?!? Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

Now simply shoot the second shot at 100yds and incorporate The Ruler,if only as per ALWAYS. Correct if requisite,to align being a half Mil high at said distance,which yields the predetermined 200yd zero. Do whatever it takes in round count to get warm/fuzzy,but 100yd paper don't much interest me,so I tend to cut to the chase and immediately go lonngggggggg. Once there with your confirmed Zero,index the turrets to Zero and set the Zero stop if applicable. You are there. Hint.

For me,I'm now perhaps (3) shots into a new rifle/scope combo and looking to turn forecast trajectory Data,into DOPE(Data Of Previous Engagement(s)). I like steel,because it's easy to see/hear what's going on and low maintenance. My opening move is gonna be at 1000-ish yds,the exact distance really not making a fhuqk,as long as I can determine same and apply it to come-ups. Because round numbers are nice,in order to align 1000yd POA(Point Of Aim)/POI(Point Of Impact) correlations,JBM tells me I need to add 8.6 Mil's of erector travel(height). It'll take about 3-seconds to spin to 8.5 and add a "click",to align 8.6. Then shoot,call the shot and critique as required. If there is a discrepency,don't have a fhuqking freak out,because we didn't even use a chronograph and simply entered a nice round velocity number of 2700fps. If you impact high,it's because actual is faster than same. If you are low,it's due to the opposite(slower). This is where Ballistics AE kicks in. Let's say I'm +.3 Mil's high,because that is what THE Ruler(reticle) is yelling at me and beyond refute. I can denote that impact correction within the velocity header and recalculate the flight curve. It will now tell me the corrected velocity and that only 8.3 Mil's were required at said distance,because Boolits don't/can't lie,if within their Supersonic window. Schit can get weird on the Transonic Slip,so NEVER try to prove come-ups beyond same and crossing both barriers(Super/Transonic). I tend to toss myself a 50yd comfort window,in the proposed atmosphere,to quantify same. Proven DOPE goes in Ocular caps and upon buttstocks. Hint.

With proven DOPE,I'm in a Dirty Good place. Everything from the muzzle,to the Transonic Slip is mine and as per whim,regarding gravity. Wind is always factored in Base Ten(10mph full value/right angle) impetus and can easily be broken down,due it's direction and velocity. Wind is lineal at a given distance and thus a breeze. Pun be intended. Hint.

750yd shot on a meandering Coyote? Dump 5.1 Mil's in the erector and slide horizontal reticle to just shy of 7 Mil's(Base Ten lead factored at 10mph too) and mash the fhuqking trigger. Return to zero on erector and keep chooglin'. Hint.

3-12x LRTSi for real. Hint.





I'll let this marinate and delve deeper,as the queries mount. Hint......................

Isn't that the whole reason behind FFP mil scopes?

OP, 1 mil = 3.6" at 100 yds.

If you know the size of your target, then you can determine range. If the target is 36" in size, and it appears 10 mils in dimension through the scope, it is 100 yds away. If it appears 5 mils in dimension, it is 200 yards away. It's that simple. Once you know the range, you can account for bullet drop, and either adjust for hold or adjust your elevation turret accordingly.

You need to know 2 things, the size of your target, and your bullet drop at various ranged.

Or, use Strelok to calculate your reticle as a simple ballistic reticle, but you need to know your ballistics for the load you will shoot, and need some way to determine range, like a Rangefinder.

bumbum,

The whole reason of FFP Mil,is to steer boolits,no matter where zoom magnification takes you. Hint.

A side benefit,is THE Ruler can be incorporated to do numerous things,which can be ranging a target or factoring a target's relative sizing. Triangulation is a rather handy thang. Hint.

I get it,that the only thing you "shoot" are your mouth and Imagination. You REALLY should be taking notes. Hint.................

Say what you want to about Big Stick, but he's leading you to water. Drink.