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How it shoots will be the deciding factor.
Go ahead and laugh, but for 242 bucks total, I'll see how it works.
It's a 16", BCA stainless, m4 contour, carbine gas, 1:8 twist.
A red dot isn't going to work for me, and before I buy something else, I'll see how it shoots, so I mounted up a Simmons 2-7 on it.
Had a lower with a side folder sitting around, waiting for an upper, identical to my 10.5" pistol, except with a magpul stock.
I like it. Fit and finish are perfect.
Cycled a few rounds outside through it by hand, and everything went just fine.
I'll shoot it tomorrow with 55 gr fmj's, and 60 gr V Max's.

Nice

Let us know how it shoots. Damn, that was dirt cheap.

If nothing else, I'll bet it shoots at least MOLR (Minute of Living Room)......

Looks good!

Well, I got out before it got too hot.
I brought some Freedom Munitions, 55gr reman fmj's, and HSM, Reman, 60 gr V Max's.
Set my box, sat in my chair and laser read 100 yards on the money.
Looked through the bore, and got the crosshairs about in the middle of the box.
Put a mag with 55gr fmj's in, and pushed the bolt released.
Oohhkaayyy.. !! It chambered a round, 1st good sign.
Aimed at the orange dot, and slowly squeezed the military weight, 2 stage trigger... ain't no jewel or single stage, 3.5 pounder like in my other AR's..
Gun goes off. I'm not feeling any pain, and my hands are ok.
Yay, BCA didn't blow up !!
Looked at about 3 - 4 o'clock, and there lays a piece of brass, right in the ejection zone. Aimed again, and fired 2 more shots.
Gun recoils nicely, and no malfunctions in the 1st 3 rounds through this new, $242.00 upper.
I have a 2 - 7 Simmons scope mounted, can't see holes..
Here's the first 3 rounds out the barrel.

Made adjustments, next 3. Not too impressive so far.

I fired 2 more, after a few clicks, 8 shots through the barrel so far.
Ok, I decide to switch to the 60 gr V Max's.
1st 3... did I say this trigger sucks ??
It's getting hot, I'm sweating, and my back pain is firing up.
Walked down, and ok, I can shoot things at some ways away from me with confidence.

Make another click, or 2, here and there..
Took my time, breathe..... in and out, in, let out half, sqqquuuweeze the trigger, just like that 3 times.
Walk down, daaammmnnn....
I can like this !

It's getting HOT now, I'm sweating...
I'm done...
Well, almost, as an afterthought, I fired 3 more, fmj's.
They suck....

Debrief...
I like it alot.
It has a mild, springy recoil.
17 rounds so far, and a 242 dollar upper is shooting great, and no malfunctions.
I'd recommend an upper from BCA.

Looks to be a winner. It's already sent me to BCA's site to snoop around. Like I need another.

2 questions please;

- do the round holes on the handguard serve as push button sling swivel sockets ?

- What brand folding stock adaptor is that? Looks like it fits the receiver better than most.

I have no idea. Never looked at them as qd sling attachment points.
I have 2 m lok adapters inbound, with tear drop type swivels for clip on slings.
The folder, as with other parts, are Chinese made.
I'm not too proud to pay less money for non name brand parts from China.
Only thing I don't like about these folders, is no lock in the folded position.

Nice shooting. The 60 VMax is certainly the truth-teller (vs milsurp ball) regarding what the barrel is capable of.

Looks like it holds promise.

Don't feel to bad about the fmj not shooting tight because most i have seen are minute of bad folks.

Never did see fmj's shoot all that well, but I'm sure some do, somewhere. Just not for me.
I'm stocked with them for my AR pistol.
I just bought more 60 gr V Max's, for everyone else !

I'm on board with some Chinese parts that work as well. Currently using some Harris knock off bi pods that Harris should look at.

No problem if ya don't know the name of the folder or don't have time to stick a swivel in the hole. Just thought it might save some bucks on said adaptors.

Great low cost rig, color me interested.

Color me amazed.

Color you a chucklehead

gunzo,
The bipod you see on the gun, came from Amazon, with a m lok adapter, and double hooked sling.
Real cheap...
The other bipod laying on the table is an S series. Just in case the cheap one broke.
Nope, ...
Podlok, swivels, spring legs, etc...
It'll be just fine...

gunzo,
I tried a swivel, and it works just fine.

Cool. Considering M-loc adaptors are 15-20 bucks & in a fixed position, this is another win for your new upper IMO. Four front sling mount locations for no extra charge.

Good to know.

gunzo,
I bought one like this for my Grendel. The holes in the handguard must be for asteics, as a stud won't stay in.
So, I bought this to stay color coordinated !

Looks like your rifle shows pretty good promise with those 60gr Vmax loads. Thanks for sharing buddy..

Dang it! there just ain't no free lunch. Oh well, at least I tried to save ya a buck.

Good grief.

Everybody remember this the next time you read an endorsement for BCA.

Hey, round count has to start some where, as well as any mess ups, at how many.

Don't worry, he makes fun of me too because I said I shot 300 rounds per session in the past. He's the best. Not hardly.. I'd put money on it..

There’s nothing wrong with a round count of 17.

Endorsing a questionable product after a round count of 17 is, quite obviously, what I was talking about.

You’re welcome to prove that I made fun of Splatter.

I am exasperated at a 17 round endorsement of a questionable product, as was obvious from my post to any objective reader. But I have no reason to make fun of Splatter himself. As far as I know he’s a reasonable guy.

And you’re welcome to prove that I made fun of you for shooting 300 bullets. I’m sure I’ve made fun of you before. But that’s because you’re pompous, one dimensional, and annoying. Not because you shot 300 bullets. Shooting 300 bullets sounds like a swell time. Why would I make fun of that?

I'm endorsing it went bang 17 times without any issues, thus far.
I can't understand why I can't say I like it, and endorse the product ?
What can go wrong from here on out ?
I have other BCA products and a stainless barrel has accounted for hundreds of praire dogs to become fertilizer.
The system of an AR is quite simple.
If you are saying the materials are inferior, I challenge you to prove it.
Parts out of spec ? Again prove it, and explain how other "mil spec" parts interchange with BCA parts, and in fact, I swapped barrels, and it shoots sub moa with several loads.
Tell me sir....
Why would I have doubts as to why this upper would fail ?

How many places actually make uppers and lowers ?
There are companies who buy these receivers, and get a variance, and have their own names, and logos put on them, when they in fact do not make them ?
There for there are many name brand companies with the same parts, made at the same place, with just different names on them.
Other parts.... How many are made in other countries, but have their logo, or name on them, and sell them for large profits because of the name ?

Rant over....
Just tell me why......

Sums it up well.

No you're not endorsing that IT went bang 17 times. You didn't endorse YOUR upper. You endorsed all BCA uppers based on your 17 rounds, which is irresponsible.



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You can. Nobody ever said you couldn't. We can also roll our eyes at your expert 17 rounds review process. And you can react emotionally and stomp your feet on the internet about it.

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I'm not going to go back and rehash five years worth of my posts, and an internet full of knowledge, to try and prove anything to you. The information is out there. But we both know you've got your mind made up. At this point I'm just posting for the spectators who are still undecided.

Lots. A lot can go wrong after 17 rounds. That question is absurd.

No, the system is not quite simple. There's a lot going on.

Just because one part fits into the same hole as another means nothing about the quality of the part.

Seriously, all of that is JV stuff.

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Buy what you want. But don't expect to say any crazy thing you want on the internet without somebody who knows what they're talking about to call you out.

Imagine that you assembled a vehicle from some leftover F150 parts and things you found at the counter at AutoZone. Then drove it 17 miles and told the world it's a great vehicle.

Then imagine a fleet manager responsible for 500 vehicles at a major construction company comes along and says, "Hey, I've seen a LOT of vehicles work and break. And based on my years of training and experience in the field of driving and repairing hundreds of trucks, I'd be careful about endorsing all of those parts just yet."

That's what's happening right now.

"Pompous, one dimensional, and annoying" is a nice way of saying...... you're a fu..cking retard.

Ok.
Point taken....

What if someone bought a bear creek AR (a complete one) ran I don't know a 1000rd test on it, a one-day test. They documented all failures, let's say there were no failures of said AR. What would people say then? The famous "you won the bear creek lotto" or say "damn that's good to hear they are getting better". Or is 1K round test not really considered a torture test? if 1k rounds isn't enough to deem a serious test then what round count it is? 2K, 3k, 4k, 5k??? Reason I ask I bought one of those Bear creek AR they had on sale awhile back for $350 bucks. I haven't even shot it yet. I have other things going on. But I been meaning to go shoot it, doing the 1k test on it. I have the ammo, I just have to find the time to do it. On the flipside lets be honest many in this country will not put 1k rounds though an AR anyhow.

Well said.
I won't be, maybe not even in my lifetime.
Too many other toys to play with.

For a known good product or known good parts that I’ve assembled I trust a gun after 500 rounds.

For an unknown product-parts I’d want to go 1500. I choose that number because 1500ish rounds is when parts from PSA caused malfunctions for me. They used a cheap extractor spring in their BCG. I think it was at about that number that a S&W buffer spring wore out, too. Those are both wear items, but not 1500ish rounds wear items.

IME a lot of problems will manifest within a few hundred rounds. But it’s not uncommon to see things break at the 500-1000 round mark.

If it’s just a gun you wanna shoot at stuff recreationally then I wouldn’t do any of that. I’d just shoot it and enjoy it.

Appreciate your reply, that’s what I as figuring as well. If it’s going to break be closer to the 1k count.. I bought this bear creek to give a run with this test.. I have other decent AR’s they are far from high end, but work for what I do which is shoot high power matches. I was going to do this with an AR I built cost like $400 to build but the barrel I got for $85 shoots 77smk’s real well maybe not bsa 10 shot group moa challenge good. But I didn’t want to ruin the barrel.

Damn.....pot calling the kettle black, lol.

So, if I change out the bcg, will this move its ranking up a knotch or 2 ?
Then what's next ?
I already have a tier 1, known manufacturerer, lower, and parts on it ....
Change gas block, and tube ?
A high dollar, name brand handguard ?
A different muzzle device ?

Initial accuracy is proven on the gun in question IMO. Otherwise?

What's the role of a truck gun in NW N. Mexico? I'm gonna assume it's not the same as going to Afghanistan, E. St. Louis, or even S. New Mexico. Am I wrong?

If something breaks a rock chuck lives another day ?

A few 3 shot groups landing in different POI does not give me confidence the gun is sighted in much less a good shooter.

I have stumbled into things that got real interesting twice while out hunting so I tend to take a hard look at my gear. YMMV

Yep, that's correct gunzo.
Coyote or praire dog actually.

TWR,
The 3 shot big triangle is 55gr fmj's. The tighter groups, are 70gr V Max's.
I'll be shooting it as soon as the wind settles down here again.

Yes I read that but I thought they were 60's? They still are at different points of impact, just the 60's.

I'm not understanding what your saying or seeing ??
My last 3 shot group has a black dot pretty much centered in between 3 wide holes. The suck fmj's.
The last group with the 60's are 1/2" high, and are @ a 1/2" group.
What are you talking about ?

Overlay your best groups and they will not be 1/2”

Doesn’t matter really, I just try to get a hard zero and you can’t do that with 3 shots.

I just fired only 17 rounds, and got it on paper !
It's not a match gun, and not sure I'll keep it at 1/2" high.
I'm not gonna say it's a 1/2" gun either.
I just said it shot that group as my last, and then ran 3 fmj's through it as I was packing up.
Pull the set in stone, it's perfect, and awesome out your thought process....
I'm just happy it went bang, and didn't mess up for it first outing, for a 242 dollar upper.
Geez....

It’s all good, I just think differently than some.

Swapped out the bcg with another I had in my spares with a shiny nickle boron bolt. Had it for yeeeaarrrss... so no clue where it came from. ?
Anyways, ran 120 rounds of reman Freedom Munitions m193 55gr through it today without any issues.
While I was in my parts boxes, I found a flashlight mount.
Since I planned on this being a truck gun, camper companion, house pest exterminator, I put a single mode flash light on it. I'm not hunting 2 legged creatures of the night, so I'm not concerned about lighting myself up to be a target, so no pressure switch. Just on or off.
Stainless cleans up nice !

Nice rifle.

But I’ll stick with my Mini 14 tactical.

Shot 5 Freedom Munitions reman, 60gr V Max's over the chrono for an average of 2997 from a 16" barrel.

Sattermatic your experience is making me think it's time to join the AR club. I'm thinking Bear creek 300 blk pistol just in case truck gun. I'm going 300 instead of 5.56 just to be different.

I got an email today from them.
I've been thinking if going with a 9mm AR type pistol.
The email was for a complete 1:7 twist, m4 profile, 7.5", parkerized upper in 556.
Swap the flash hider for a flaming pig, a hand stop, flip up irons, use my sdpdw brace, and instant flame throwing, ear splitting, room clearing, mini v max disposal tool !!
Oh, for 189 bucks minus 5% vet discount, and free shipping !!
Went to checkout, and out of stock...

So now I'm looking at the same except m4 profile in stainless, with a wylde chamber, for about 240.

Nice rifle!