Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Uvalde, comes down to a missing key.

I've got no room for the MSM and narcissist have hated me all my life.

All of the schools in our county are assigned a Sheriffs deputy. I don't know if that would be any better or not, but they're there anyway.

Bingo.

Uvalde had a sheriff deputy assigned to the school but they didn't respond to confront the shoot for an hour plus. Total incompetence

A couple thoughts:

How can the head SRO/whatever his title is NOT HAVE A MASTER KEY on his person AT ALL TIMES? You would think that would be pretty darn high up on the list of useful things to carry if ever SHTF.

It was reported by his superiors in official press conferences that he had (incorrectly) declared the scene a "barricaded shooter" and ordered his men to stand down. Now he claims he was personally trying to unlock the door for 77 minutes???

Did you know he has been elected to the city council after this event. Anyone else think this was a way to remove him from his post but limit the liability the town/school/etc would be exposed to vs firing him?

Listening to the phone calls from the kids in the classroom is haunting.

Horseschidt! do you even read before you post. Kids being slaughtered in schools is not a new thing. Since Columbine and Beslan the problem and solution have been identified. A realistic response has been watered down by school people and politicians catering to the unicorn riders. It is well established and, in most areas SOP, that the 1st guys w/ guns take the most basic entry tools and find and kill the shooter w/out delay. Until that mission is accomplished every LEO responding has the same task. Command centers, evacuation, EMS are separate issues and best left for the period following the death of the shooter. Large schools present bigger problems that require more cops but the #1 priority never changes.

The good idea fairies complicate an issue that can be solved by letting the Alphas hunt.

YMMV... SNORK



mike r

Most anyone with 1/2 a brain can figure out a way to breach a door in way less than 77 minutes.

I’m in a high school much closer to the scene of the crime, there’s gotta be two or three master keys depending on the age of the doors.

No coaches any very few teachers have them, the most reliable source for all of them is the head custodian, the Admin are supposed to have them and generally do, but rarely need to use them so when they do they sometimes gotta scramble, or just call a custodian.

Uvalde had a sheriff deputy assigned to the school but they didn't respond to confront the shoot for an hour plus. Total incompetence[/quote]
Moreso if they thought there was a poker game - with beer and doughnuts involved!

Or a maga hat....

Yep, my neighbor, a SRO said their training includes taking out an active shooter asap. Breach happens with a shotgun, no door anywhere in our school district stands a chance with 5-6 rounds of OO buck shot.

75 minutes, parents on scene while this drugged up psychopath is executing children is unacceptable. There are 6 fathers within 1/4 mile of me right now who would go in with their own firearms and eliminate this immediately. Some might die, but they wouldn't be setting up perimeters in body armor while children are begging for help over 911 calls.

Those cops were not prepared for that day. They thought their job was to write parking tickets and make sure the referees a high school basketball games didn't get beat up by the parents.

I'm not buying the door was locked bull s hit. They were standing outside the door as little kids were begging for their lives and being butchered. They did nothing to stop it. Unconscionable, unbelievable and inexcusable. They could have put smoke or a flash bang through an outside window in the room, broke the door and bum rushed him. That plan could have been put together by any group of high school cheerleaders in a matter of minutes.

"Cowards" is the only word I can think of.

So all the Cops on the scene that day, including those that lost a wife and child, were good idea fairies.

Got it.

Simple answer, would you hesitate to act if it were your kid?


mike r

Well, there is that FACT

They were and are gutless pukes who took the job hoping to never face something like this on their way to retirement.

I’d like to think I wouldn’t hesitate to act if it were anybody’s kids, can’t open a door by wanting to tho.

Bull [bleep], many ways to breach a door or go through a window. The first thing is you have to want to neutralize the shooter bad enough to make it happen. Looking for reasons why you can't instead of looking for reasons why you can doesn't get it done.

You’re Border Patrol, you’ve been to Uvalde, what would you have done different that most of them did on the scene that day?

How many ground floor classroom walls, with or without windows, can handle being rammed by a patrol car at full throttle? No master key required. Once that hole is made, any cop with a pair of balls bigger than Spanish peanuts ought to be able to lay down enough rounds to eliminate the threat.