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I have owned sidelock percussion and flintlocks for years, but want to try a modern inline.
Local shop has a used T/C Encore (not Pro Hunter). It ain't cheap, and I know parts and service will be non-existent (that's my main concern), so I'd like to hear about any suggestions for a quality, preferably stainless, gun that can be had for somewhere south of $1,000. Or should I grab that Encore?
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Omegas are nice but so are Encores
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Ruger #1.
Not as "modern" as the plastic stocked inlines that load from the muzzle---- but a lot classer, prettier, more accurate, having longer range, and just as much in keeping with foundational ideas from which muzzleloading seasons were established.
In fact a sharps 1874 is a lot more "primitive'" then a plastic stocked, scoped inline, and so is a lever action 30-30. Or any iron-sighed revolver.
They should all be allowed in primitive weapons seasons long before the newer types of inlines
If using inlines in regular rifle seasons I am in full support. But they are more modern then any of the weapons I listed above ------------ and so I can't see any reason to give them special seasons of licenses.
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A Knight Ultra-lite can be "had for somewhere south of $1,000." Supposed to weigh 6lbs, Bell & Carlson Kevlar stock, drilled And tapped, jeweled bolt, and has Knight's " Guaranteed MOA Accuracy to 200 yards." I've been using a Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader for the last 3 years, or so. Great gun, shoots great, but I was tired of lugging 10+ lbs. around. Just got a Knight delivered a couple months ago, and haven't even gotten around to mounting a scope yet or shooting 'er.
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Aside from more bells and whistles most inlines are perfectly adequate for deer or elk hunting unless you are talking 200-300 yard shots. Most will be 100 yards or less. I shot a TC Hawkin for years,killed a few elk with .Then bought one of the eraly inlines. Killed a few elk with it .Then bought a TC Impact. Killed a few elk with it.
Stay away form plastic sights like theTraditions have and such.
With BH209 being almost impossitble to find at present and $70 /8 ounces, I may go back to my Hawkn and balck powder if I go this fall.
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Ruger #1.
Not as "modern" as the plastic stocked inlines that load from the muzzle---- but a lot classer, prettier, more accurate, having longer range, and just as much in keeping with foundational ideas from which muzzleloading seasons were established.
In fact a sharps 1874 is a lot more "primitive'" then a plastic stocked, scoped inline, and so is a lever action 30-30. Or any iron-sighed revolver.
They should all be allowed in primitive weapons seasons long before the newer types of inlines
If using inlines in regular rifle seasons I am in full support. But they are more modern then any of the weapons I listed above ------------ and so I can't see any reason to give them special seasons of licenses. TFF!!🤣🤣🤣
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Encores are getting support - there’s enough parts support in the non-TC commercial market that you’ll probably wear out - before the Encore does.
That said - Knight Disc Extreme, CVA Accura, CVA Optima - under $1k options are there. If you are worried about support, I’d opt for CVA.
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A Knight Ultra-lite can be "had for somewhere south of $1,000." Supposed to weigh 6lbs, Bell & Carlson Kevlar stock, drilled And tapped, jeweled bolt, and has Knight's " Guaranteed MOA Accuracy to 200 yards." I've been using a Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader for the last 3 years, or so. Great gun, shoots great, but I was tired of lugging 10+ lbs. around. Just got a Knight delivered a couple months ago, and haven't even gotten around to mounting a scope yet or shooting 'er. I’ve had two of those. Gave one to my son and sold the other after I decided it was a lot of money to have tied up in a rifle for a season that only lasted a week. Good shooters, and easy to carry, but kind of a pain to clean. Now I have an old Renegade and a Parker Hale 1858 Enfield, which can also be used for our January sidelocks-only season. Since our seasons occur after a couple or three months of other forms of deer chasing, even seeing one on public land is an accomplishment, so might as well carry something that feels old-timey.
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Ruger #1.
Not as "modern" as the plastic stocked inlines that load from the muzzle---- but a lot classer, prettier, more accurate, having longer range, and just as much in keeping with foundational ideas from which muzzleloading seasons were established.
In fact a sharps 1874 is a lot more "primitive'" then a plastic stocked, scoped inline, and so is a lever action 30-30. Or any iron-sighed revolver.
They should all be allowed in primitive weapons seasons long before the newer types of inlines
If using inlines in regular rifle seasons I am in full support. But they are more modern then any of the weapons I listed above ------------ and so I can't see any reason to give them special seasons of licenses. Guess I missed where he said he wanted to use it in a special season, just "want to try a modern inline". Seems the mere mention of "inline" gives some folk the vapors.
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^ ^ ^ A good point to be sure Tmitch.
But I also touched on the fact I am NOT against them for hunting or pleasure shooting. I am only against the use of them in "primitive weapons seasons" as if they were some sort of handicap, needing a special season Copied and pasted from my 1st post >>>>> If using inlines in regular rifle seasons I am in full support.
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Gee the guy asked about wanting to try a modern inline and the "Bucksinners" are about to have a tantrum again. As if a deadly accurate ML didnt exist over 100yrs ago. Such as a Gibbs rifle which will out shoot many "modern inlines".
Ignore the morons that dont want to share the season. Use whatever is legal and makes you happy. Knight Ulite in a 45cal 1-20 or the Mountaineer 45 1-20 twist are great shooters and well built. Want to pretend to be primitive?...Thats easy, load it up with big ole lead conical, wad and 70-85gr or powder. That is basically the same load them old fashion things were shooting too. 350-460gr lead at 1200-1400fps is simple, cheap to shoot and very very lethal.
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If you can find a good old TC Firehawk you won't be disappointed. I put mine together from parts and it my most consistent and accurate rifle. Sabots and full calibers do very well. I think the 1-38 twist is superb for 99.99% of muzzleloading tasks. I shoot 70 grains of 3f Swiss with: 250grain .45 Hornady XTP in a Harvester crush rib 1575fps 300 grain non- mag .45 XTP, same sabot 1500 fps 400 grain Lyman Plains, cast, SPG lube and a .54 cal o.p. wad. 1350 fps These are chrono'd. She wears a bead foresight and aperture rear. Being a striker fired, she's also legal EVERYWHERE. .50 caliber btw. Really SUPERB rifle.
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I have a TC Pro Hunter FX. Its really easy to maintain and shoots great.
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^ ^ ^ A good point to be sure Tmitch.
But I also touched on the fact I am NOT against them for hunting or pleasure shooting. I am only against the use of them in "primitive weapons seasons" as if they were some sort of handicap, needing a special season Copied and pasted from my 1st post >>>>> If using inlines in regular rifle seasons I am in full support. Believe as you wish, but the bird has flown on this in most places. After some years, it’s pretty clear that at least in the case of whitetail deer, weapon choice has had no effect on the population, though harvest figures may have shifted from one weapon category to another as peoples’ notions of fun changes. So long as that’s the case, I’m in favor of letting folks hunt as they wish, with whatever winds their clock. Other game or other other locales might make different rules necessary. No dog in this fight myself as all I own are sidelocks now. I do wish that WV would allow underhammer rifles in the Mountaineer Heritage Season, and suspect that they simply overlooked them when the regs were written.
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I started out with a Knight MK-85 and migrated to a Savage 10-MLII about 10 years ago. I have since purchased a CVA Optima v2 nitrided. In all of them, they have pros and cons. I like the break action muzzleloaders these days as they are easier and quicker to clean. I love the fact that the Optima is nitrided and has a lifetime factory warranty against corrosion in the barrel.
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I have a new Knight Mountaineer .50 "bare primer" rifle that I am pleased with. I haven't developed a hunting load yet, but am pleased with what I have seen so far. I do wish I had purchaed an Ultralight instead. The Mountaineer is kind of heavy and the flat bottom surface of the stock makes carrying it less comfortable that a rounded bottom. But since I anticipate this being principally a tree stand gun, I think it will be fine. I replaced the stock breech plug with a Lehigh breech plug with replaceable vent liners. As far as inlines and the spirit of primitive seasons, if we only use sidelocks then we have to decide how primitive is primitive. My Pedersoli Hawken Hunter has a 1:24 twist, faster than my Knight, and will shoot sabot rounds as well as, or better, than my Traditions Pursuit XL .50 1:24.
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Knight Ulite or Mountaineer with a bare primer plug and properly head spaced is very easy to clean. Virtually nothing gets into the action. Main thing is to replace the factory bare primer plug with a Lehigh less than $25. Better yet a Bestill Creations plug and have him set it up. You can set it up yourself also for around $80 just for the plug. I strongly suggest a 45cal 1-20 unless you are hunting states that require a 45cal for elk. The 45 fast twist is far more versatile with the addition of a adjustable sizing die.
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Ruger #1.
Not as "modern" as the plastic stocked inlines that load from the muzzle---- but a lot classer, prettier, more accurate, having longer range, and just as much in keeping with foundational ideas from which muzzleloading seasons were established. Except that it loads from the breech with a cartridge......
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Stay away form plastic sights like theTraditions have and such. Some may have plastic sights, but certainly not all. But my Traditions Pursuit XT came with the same Williams metal sights on it as the Knight above. The only muzzle loader I ever had with plastic sights was a T/C Black Diamond. I replaced those sights with the metal ajustable sights that cam standard on the T/C Hawken.
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