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A 10 shot group doesn’t make sense in a rifle that only holds 3-6 rounds. Maybe for a gas puker high cap a 10 shot group is ego stroking but for a hunting rifle it’s a little dick measuring contest and a stupid benchmark.

I don’t GAF where your 9th and 10th round goes if my first round goes where I want it to. 😉

Makes no difference what someone else does but expecting others to aspire to some inane bullshit requirement ain’t gonna fly.

Cascade….Nice shooting. 👍. I’d say you found a “sweet spot”.


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62 grain TTSX do real good in a Rick River AR

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At the other end of the spectrum, light and fast .223's can impress too. 40 grain Berger/28.5 CFE-223/Lapua brass/CCI SR primer. Browning Low Wall single shot, 26" barrel, 3650fps. It's an older gun with 1-12" twist so I'm relegated to light bullets, but that's ok because I have zero opportunities for long range shooting here, nor the desire.

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Originally Posted by gnoahhh
At the other end of the spectrum, light and fast .223's can impress too. 40 grain Berger/28.5 CFE-223/Lapua brass/CCI SR primer. Browning Low Wall single shot, 26" barrel, 3650fps. It's an older gun with 1-12" twist so I'm relegated to light bullets, but that's ok because I have zero opportunities for long range shooting here, nor the desire.

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Nice! Ya, I normally go for light fast bullets with my varmint cartridges. smile

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Originally Posted by AcesNeights
Cascade….Nice shooting. 👍. I’d say you found a “sweet spot”.

Thanks, Gavin's rifle is awfully easy to shoot well.

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Originally Posted by hanco
62 grain TTSX do real good in a Rick River AR

Hanco - I'd imagine that's a great bullet for deer?

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I wish I knew how to work cameras other than my Nikons. I'm holding a pet target, a .212 at 100, five 50 Zombies over 4895 and 400s in LC. I thought I'd missed the paper on the second shot, the third and then fifth shot made the hole a little bigger. Didn't choke for once.


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Been out of town for 3 weeks... and just got home this evening....

a nice FAST and accurate 223 load is a 40 grain V Max, or Ballistic tip..

pushed by 28 grains of RL 7 ( yeah its over Book Max)....in LC or Rem or Win Brass
make that only 26 grains in Federal 223 brass....

some other guys asked me about that a long time ago...

but in a bolt action with a 24 inch barrel.... that 28 grains of RL 7 will send that 40 grain V Max or B/Tip out the muzzle at 4000 fps..

and before anyone questions that... evidently you never tried it...

and it does so reliably, with no real wear or tear on the brass or its primer pocket.

and it gave nice 3 shot one hold groups in my 223s...


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Pretty sure Guy (Cascade) is on his Africa trip now, lucky dog!

My son (and his), have used my Hawkeye AW and an earlier Vanguard with Fiocchi 40gr VMax to ‘splode a few chucks. Really lets the air out. That ammo and their other VMax loads are often very affordably priced. I’ve paid as little as $20 for 50, though $30 is a good price now. Hate to sound like a broken record on this, but deals like that make loading your own less compelling with the current primer situation.

That Fiocchi (GFL) brass is a bit heavy, but when I refill it, I just cut the charge a bit. Don’t obsess over recovering it when a semi tosses it either.


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I'll stick to the recommended .223 load on the Varget jug. 27.5gr of powder, a 55gr sp bt bullet, I like one with a cannelure. Easy to load and accurate in every .223 rifle I own.


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Mostly I use 3 shot groups. That way I can avoid the 5th shot gremlin. I’ll mess up that 5th shot regularly. Makes me crazy.

I never could make short putts for money either.

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Originally Posted by 603Country
Mostly I use 3 shot groups. That way I can avoid the 5th shot gremlin. I’ll mess up that 5th shot regularly. Makes me crazy.

I never could make short putts for money either.

Kinda like the old saying 3 shots proves the load, 4th shot proves the gun, 5th shot proves the shooter. And yes #5 can be a real irritant. BTDT 😁



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Psych trick: Decide you're going to shoot a seven shot group and quit at five. grin


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Originally Posted by mathman
Psych trick: Decide you're going to shoot a seven shot group and quit at five. grin

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If I am shooting for group with my 223s, or any other cartridges, I go for one shot groups....

They are ALWAYS perfect....


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Or don't shoot at all, and your groups will always be what you want them to be - like many a Keyboard Commando these days.


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Originally Posted by AcesNeights
A 10 shot group doesn’t make sense in a rifle that only holds 3-6 rounds. Maybe for a gas puker high cap a 10 shot group is ego stroking but for a hunting rifle it’s a little dick measuring contest and a stupid benchmark.

I don’t GAF where your 9th and 10th round goes if my first round goes where I want it to. 😉

Makes no difference what someone else does but expecting others to aspire to some inane bullshit requirement ain’t gonna fly.

Cascade….Nice shooting. 👍. I’d say you found a “sweet spot”.

high power shooters in NRA or CMP matches shoot 20 plus shots on the 600yd line in 22 minutes. So it’s beneficial to see what an AR or NRA highpower rifle will do on a 10 shot string. I know it’s ph uvking amazing what you learn on the internet.. so might want to rethink what you wrote, because it’s ignorant.


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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.
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Poor comparison and no his statement is pretty much dead on not ignorant.
IBS 10 shot group record agg at 300 yards, all groups except the first were 12 minutes for sighters and record shots.

HB 300 yds. 10 10 0.3495" D. Boop 06/18/1988 (now that’s pretty small for an agg of 100 shots)

So your time limit boils down to exactly the same , 2 minutes for sighters and 1 minute for each record shot.
Again it doesn’t matter whether it’s a 3,5 or 10 shot group doesn’t mean sh*t if it satisfies the person doing the shooting.
If 3 shots accomplishes what they are trying to do so be it, it’s not for me or anybody else to convince them any different. But for some it seems that it’s now “this is how I do it, 10 shot groups and y’all wish you could shoot as good as me.”

Now what I would like to see is some 10 shot groups like these, then I would listen to your BS.

HB 100 yds. 10 0.104 Mark Buettgen 08/14/2017

HB 200 yds. 10 0.245 E. Watson 07/26/1999

HB 300 yds. 10 0.669 Robert Adamowicz 06/13/1992

Oh, and the groups have to be shot in 12 minutes.



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Originally Posted by Swifty52
Poor comparison and no his statement is pretty much dead on not ignorant.
IBS 10 shot group record agg at 300 yards, all groups except the first were 12 minutes for sighters and record shots.

HB 300 yds. 10 10 0.3495" D. Boop 06/18/1988 (now that’s pretty small for an agg of 100 shots)

So your time limit boils down to exactly the same , 2 minutes for sighters and 1 minute for each record shot.
Again it doesn’t matter whether it’s a 3,5 or 10 shot group doesn’t mean sh*t if it satisfies the person doing the shooting.
If 3 shots accomplishes what they are trying to do so be it, it’s not for me or anybody else to convince them any different. But for some it seems that it’s now “this is how I do it, 10 shot groups and y’all wish you could shoot as good as me.”

Now what I would like to see is some 10 shot groups like these, then I would listen to your BS.

HB 100 yds. 10 0.104 Mark Buettgen 08/14/2017

HB 200 yds. 10 0.245 E. Watson 07/26/1999

HB 300 yds. 10 0.669 Robert Adamowicz 06/13/1992

Oh, and the groups have to be shot in 12 minutes.

Lol you are comparing IBS shooters to high power shooters wtf. A service rifle shooting those groups uh ok.. So those shooters shot 3 shot groups beforehand and said yep these will work? I shoot a 10 shot string for a reason out of my service rifle I want to see how the 10 shot string does, these are single feed as well. But most times I will shoot a 5 shot group. I get it most of you are afraid to admit it but you all hate AR15’s you just don’t want to get ran off. You see it in acesandeights comments

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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.
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Well, I finally got around to photographing my target and squishing it down to a reasonable file size.
This load is wet-molied (Mic McPherson) 50 Zombies loaded on a Dillon 650 to the throat in neck-sized Lake City brass over 25.5 gr H-4895 and CCI 400s.
I two-cycle the 650, neck and prime, then dump powder through a Lee, then seat back in the Dillon. I have automatic chargers, but every time "something" happens, "something" happens to the charge. I'm just not that smooth.
The brass has been trimmed and detailed but hasn't been weighed and the headstamps don't match, they're like 95 through 98. However, I have culled "crooked" cases that didn't fireform straight out of that batch of LC.
Rifle is a rusty Savage 10 FP (1996-7 vintage) with a stainless 1-8 Douglas chambered and threaded in about 2004 by Fred Moreo at Sharp Shooter in Ohio, in a pillared black Tupperware stock with a Sharp trigger set to "feather." Scope is a Trashco 8-32 by 50 (yep) original to the rifle.
Conditions were ideal, flat evening light, no wind, low 70s. I'd been having "issues" with my bench manners so I was super deliberate about getting the rifle to play dead. We have benches and stools that are different heights so I took a few minutes (after some frustration) to really build a good nest, get real comfy.
Second shot, I thought I'd missed the paper. Third enlarged the hole, fourth cleaned up the hole, and on the fifth, I didn't choke. Best group I've ever shot although I've had "better" groups going that I've blown open with the final shot. I have terrible buck fever.

Since then, I've had a couple more under .300, but mostly in the high threes and almost all under a half. So it's a good rifle and a darn good load.

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