To quote Mackay Sagebrush, who posts here often, "You don't get the deadly force encounter you want, you get the one you get", meaning it could happen at 3 yards or like the mall in Indiana it could happen at 40 yards.
What he said doesn't have jack [bleep] to do with the probability of particular engagement distance.
To quote Mackay Sagebrush, who posts here often, "You don't get the deadly force encounter you want, you get the one you get", meaning it could happen at 3 yards or like the mall in Indiana it could happen at 40 yards.
What he said doesn't have jack [bleep] to do with the probability of particular engagement distance.
Smart people consider the consequences not the probabilities.
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To quote Mackay Sagebrush, who posts here often, "You don't get the deadly force encounter you want, you get the one you get", meaning it could happen at 3 yards or like the mall in Indiana it could happen at 40 yards.
What he said doesn't have jack [bleep] to do with the probability of particular engagement distance.
Smart people consider the consequences not the probabilities.
Seems to me this whole exercise is a waste of time unless your are shooting your EDC, YMMV Rio7
aint seen many guys shooting it with LC9s, J frames etc either
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
I really hope this doesn't turn into a negative response because Blue has brought up a very interesting discussion. All of us can benefit from trying this drill, I know I have & I've been doing it every day for the last 6 days. At first I was making little mistakes with all 3 guns that I trade off carrying & now I've got things worked out thanks to this drill. No jams, no malfunctions & much better hits. Tomorrow I'll slow down a tick & shoot my Walther PPS shorty again. I'll probably be stretching the 15 seconds but I'm going to really focus on that front sight & see how we do. Again, it's only good for 8 rounds but I can live with that with some practice, just need to put in a little more time. Today went well with my S&W M&P, shot a bit faster, hits were much better & more centered. Probably not as good as many but for old age (77) & iron sights I was happy. Wish more guys would post their targets, hope I'm not the worst!! Dick
I shot this multiple times yesterday and it wasn't until the 3rd attempt that I made par. Previous attempts were par for time but would result in five in, five out.
G17 out of a Black Scorpion IWB. From just behind the six o'clock w/cover shirt. Time was 11.87.
I was watched five full time LEO's attempt the drill out of ALS and the most hits any of the five achieved was three out of ten. None of them are what most would describe as horrible shooters. Until the got to 40yds. LOL
Although this is a great drill regardless, I would love to know if Dicken's handgun wore an optic that day.
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
I really hope this doesn't turn into a negative response because Blue has brought up a very interesting discussion. All of us can benefit from trying this drill, I know I have & I've been doing it every day for the last 6 days. At first I was making little mistakes with all 3 guns that I trade off carrying & now I've got things worked out thanks to this drill. No jams, no malfunctions & much better hits. Tomorrow I'll slow down a tick & shoot my Walther PPS shorty again. I'll probably be stretching the 15 seconds but I'm going to really focus on that front sight & see how we do. Again, it's only good for 8 rounds but I can live with that with some practice, just need to put in a little more time. Today went well with my S&W M&P, shot a bit faster, hits were much better & more centered. Probably not as good as many but for old age (77) & iron sights I was happy. Wish more guys would post their targets, hope I'm not the worst!! Dick
Good shootin' Idaho.
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
To quote Mackay Sagebrush, who posts here often, "You don't get the deadly force encounter you want, you get the one you get", meaning it could happen at 3 yards or like the mall in Indiana it could happen at 40 yards.
What he said doesn't have jack [bleep] to do with the probability of particular engagement distance.
If I follow the probabilities, the truth is most people will never get into a gun fight, so following that logic why train for something that will probably never happen. I agree that most civilian deadly force encounters happen at close range, the nature of these crimes is that someone wants something from you and is willing to use force to get it. You don't get assaulted, robbed or raped at 40 yards, but if you are in a mass shooting situation it could be 40 yards or a lot further. The Las Vegas mass shooting was over 40 yards. This mall incident has stirred up interest in shooting at ranges longer than the typical 3, 7, 10 or 15 yards and I thing that is a good thing. You are correct when you state that thinking does a body good, and that's what's happening here, people are thinking about how they would respond to shooting for self defense at longer than average distances.
I shot this multiple times yesterday and it wasn't until the 3rd attempt that I made par. Previous attempts were par for time but would result in five in, five out.
G17 out of a Black Scorpion IWB. From just behind the six o'clock w/cover shirt. Time was 11.87.
I was watched five full time LEO's attempt the drill out of ALS and the most hits any of the five achieved was three out of ten. None of them are what most would describe as horrible shooters. Until the got to 40yds. LOL
Although this is a great drill regardless, I would love to know if Dicken's handgun wore an optic that day.
There’s still that thing about 76 feet instead of 40 yards. Who had the good eye?
Colossians 3:17 (New King James Version) "And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him."
Getting down to details again that we don't know yet tjm 10025. What I want to know is even more pertinent, was he personally under fire while he was shooting? With dla's rational he would have just stuck his head up his ass and said not my problem. With the liberal rational of today you need to be hit first or let the perp kill a few before you shoot. Based only on the facts we know there are a lot of people in that food court who are alive today because Dicken didn't say or think "not my problem"....mb
" Cheapest velocity in the world comes from a long barrel and I sure do like them. MB "
Pretty good sized mall to give a 40 yard engagement range. That may have been an exaggeration.
not at all the foodcourt is close to 60 yards across at our local mall and its a pretty small small as far as malls go
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
40yds from a dining table to the restroom/hall entrance would certainly be possible at my local mall, but it would likely include firing across other tables and would require no other seated patrons in the way.
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