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Load was 120 grains of Goex 1f, antelope was about 100 yards out, hit square in the shoulder it just sorta picked him up and dumped him about 10 ft down a dry wash he was standing beside. Same bullet in a 45 2.4 loaded with 85 grs put a bull elk down at 204 so hard he almost beat his shadow to the ground.
Even with the 3-400 grain bullets a ribcage on smaller stuff like deer and antelope hit will blow thru without a lot of fanfare, good but short blood trail, but hit the shoulder and it gets sorta spectacular.
Keep in mind the 45-70 throwing a 405 gr bullet around 1300 fps is what made that cartridge so long lived.
Hope you're shooter friend has good cases, as new ones are all but impossible to find.


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Originally Posted by Kurt71
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From the sound of the guy I don't think that he would have a problem shooting the 120 with a full load of black.
I used around 115 grains of 1F with I think was a 550 gr GG or a 400 gr flat nose and they played down Michigan UP bucks in fine shape. Recoil is stiff but manageable shooting game off hand and with the right bullet shape he will shoot several follow up shots with out fouling control.
Heck I'm 82 and still shoot my Shiloh .50-2.5 with a 700 gr bullet or the .44-90 bn with a full load of black.
I don't think Doc has any black powder left. It sounds like the gun has been in the closet for a number of years. He does have some 4064. He also has a 50-90 as I recall but he never mentioned bringing it out.

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Originally Posted by Ranch13
Load was 120 grains of Goex 1f, antelope was about 100 yards out, hit square in the shoulder it just sorta picked him up and dumped him about 10 ft down a dry wash he was standing beside. Same bullet in a 45 2.4 loaded with 85 grs put a bull elk down at 204 so hard he almost beat his shadow to the ground.
Even with the 3-400 grain bullets a ribcage on smaller stuff like deer and antelope hit will blow thru without a lot of fanfare, good but short blood trail, but hit the shoulder and it gets sorta spectacular.
Keep in mind the 45-70 throwing a 405 gr bullet around 1300 fps is what made that cartridge so long lived.
Hope you're shooter friend has good cases, as new ones are all but impossible to find.

My concern about brass is, Doc has some but it's been in a box for God only knows how many years and it's all corroded away. I'm sure it's a bear to find some of that stuff right now on the market. It seems from what I'm reading, that the 45-70 is more than enough to take Iowa deer with. Why he wants to dig out the 120 I don't know. Maybe he is going through his 2nd childhood. But, he lets us hunt his property so we keep him happy and he is a great guy and good neighbor. If things go to hell he has beef and deer on his place. We won't starve. Our only concern is keeping the illegals and the city folk off the property.

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Ild run those cases thru the cleaner and see how they clean up. But I'ld be pretty leary about shooting them with either black or smokeless if they're ate up at all.
Best bet might be to get ahold of Rocky Mountain Cartridge and get 10 or 20 cases for his hunt.


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5744 works well in my 45-90. Never shot a 45-120


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Foolish endeavor, but a man's man if he can tolerate the recoil.


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Originally Posted by 1minute
Foolish endeavor, but a man's man if he can tolerate the recoil.
I believe he is going through his second childhood. Of course, he has to spend some time with his wife in Florida. If everything works out I might have some pictures after September. I want to see this thing fire as well.

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Loaded quite a few of these huge BP cartridges with smokeless. Found that an over powder card wad followed dacron filler to keep everything locked down promotes good ignition and accuracy.

Today I use the Alliant BP substitute in everything as it shoots clean and works just like real BP.

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