Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Custom Rifles & Wildcats Better Donor Action R700 or W70

Lil Dip Stick,
Maybe not but I can shoot them pretty well; though my best years are behind me. I have other rifles better suited for longer ranges, when I want to shoot longer. Some are probably even better than a 21" 7mm-08! GD

DumbDog,

There's no reason to reiterate your sheer and utter CLUELESSNESS,but it sure is fhuqking funny...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Here's to the perpetual HILARITY,of you doing your absolute BEST. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

Stick, ease off the guy will you? You don't need to be a phrickh all the time to everyone.

SniffleKchunt,

Your VERY Tender Feelers,make less than zero fhuqks to me...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Only you Drooling Fhuqktards,can keep yourselves from saying STUPID schit and ain't it a fhuqking hoot,that you can't even "do" that "much" you Melting Snowflake? Hint.

Very GOOD call to refrain ALL things The Rifle and go right to Whining,despite it being your only "move". Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!................

The little guy does have to be a prik all the time. It's his schtick. His claimed real world experience is valid enough and it is too bad he can't share in an intelligible manner but there it is. He is a little narrowly focused. His hang up on the high BC bullet as being the be all-end all, is a little tiresome. He would benefit from developing the ability to think critically.
I was building and shooting rifles when he was just a twig and before that. Probably before his parents made their big mistake. So I'm not too concerned with his yapping. He pointed out that the pre-64 has a limited mag box length and that's true. I pointed out that it doesn't matter and that's true too. I have almost certainly fired more shots at 700 to 900 meters, in competition, than he has in total. Quite a few of those shots have been through rifles built on Model 70's. Having said this, I also have to say, for pure accuracy, I think the 700 is better. On this thread, that isn't what we are talking about though. We are talking about the suitability of actions for a hunting rifle chambered for a hunting cartridge and used for hunting. In this context, action choice is well wide open and either action will serve. GD

DumbDog,

I'm simply afforded the luxuries of not being forced to guess,while you flounder in Retardation and hope you don't schit your pants...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

My "hang up" is Facts and Mechanics,but you need not mention what an AMAZINGLY Slow "Learner" you are. I'm not contracted to coddle Drooling Dumbfhuqks,so I do not and I'm happy to watch you try and tug at heart strings with your Jerry lewis Telethon,because that too,is funnier than fhuqk. You'll wanna read that again. Now one more time. Hint.

The only things you've ever shot or ever will,is your mouth and Imagination. Ballistics 101 is beyond your 17 IQ points and crossed-eyes. You be sure to keep adding to your AMAZINGLY long list of exceedingly WELL founded Insecurities and extrapolate your Fhuqktardation,like you are in the "know". Reality is,you are embarrassingly fhuqking STUPID and the best part is,it ain't an "act"! Gals who "know" and "do" as "much" as you,will always be best served by asking questions,rather than giving "answers". It's HILARIOUS to me,in all that you need to "do" is take notes and apply same,but you are too fhuqking STUPID to connect the first fhuqking dot. Hint.

If/when I bother to post,your BEST move when you come in behind,is to simply state "ditto" and if only for once in your "life",you'll actually be correct. You'll never have better "odds". Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..................

The OP's rifle action choices are a push feed Win 70 (Black Shadow) or a push feed Rem 700.

Pre-64 or Classic - don't matter, it's not the question at hand.

Given the choice of a PF M70 or a PF 700 - the 700 wins. And in a lot of ways, wins over a p64 too for many people.

In fairness,I only have (1) Winny 70 PF 338-06. 10",throated to Smooch 250 Skinners and the box is shy a shim. Reupold MK4 6x M3 with BDC removed and MOA installed. Hint.



Pass the S/S 700 and hold the fhuqking Fluff. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

Several of my builds and builds in process the past several years have been on M70s and 70 Clones.

Model 70 FW PF - .25-06
Model 70 Stainless Classic - .358 NM
MRC Model 1999 - .400 Whelen (almost done)
Donor PF XTR- Most likely will be 6.5x55

I really like them for hunting rifles and probably have a soft spot since the first big game rifle I ever bought was a Model 70 (the one that is now a .25-06). I have the factory triggers worked over and I like them every bit as much, and maybe more, as the aftermarket triggers on my 700s. I am a fan of the three position safety as well.

That said, the Rem 700 is absolutely the easy button. Parts are everywhere and I would guess every gunsmith that builds rifles has probably done a high percentage of 700s or clones.

Good luck on your build and keep us posted on the Whelen. I have a Wilson .375 blank sitting here that isn't sure what it wants to be when it grows up. The .375 Whelen AI is on the short list. I already have a .35 and .400 Whelen so am debating on whether a .375 Whelen will complete the family or just be ridiculously redundant.

I have rebarreled, restocked, re scoped , and shot animals with pre 64 Win M70; 25-06, 270, and 280AI.

I have rebarreled and stuff to rem 700 to: 6mmBR, 6mmBR, 250sav, 6.5-06, 6.5-06, 7mmRM, 7mmRM, 7mmRM, and 7mmSTW.


What did I learn?
Not much. They are both better than I need.

another thought ? i have used both a Remington model 700 and Winchester pre-64 model 70 for a rifle build. the Remington model 700 may be the more accurate receiver so i would use this action for a target rifle build , the Winchester model 70 pre-64 is still a accurate receiver but i myself prefer this action for a hunting rifle build always or a Ruger #1 action. > but its your own money build as you feel fit.< if you really want an accurate rifle use a Bat action clone of a Remington 700 , i have a bat action target rifle it very accurate compared to a regular rifle action for bench rest target shooting. good luck with your choice ,Pete53

Do yourself a favor and find a stainless classic. It would be more ideal for your needs.. JMHO.

A lot of gibber jabber here. He has a pushfeed, but many here are suggesting a pre 64 action. The best action to build on is the H&H if talking pre 64. All this other bs is just that... I still suggest going with a stainless classic.

So you are saying the pre 64 isn't that accurate? Interesting.. Like I told greydog, the H&H action is the way to go when we are talking pre 64's for this type of build (he mentioned 338wm). I wouldn't even mess with the standard or short action receivers: Since guys were talking about the 338wm: I'll have to revisit my 338wm and 300wby and see wtf is wrong with them..




If that's not accurate enough, I don't know what is. Sometimes I wonder about some of you guys here.


Also, he's not wanting to build a target rifle. Don't know where this is coming from? I'd use a Bighorn Origin or Tl3, if that were the case, or just buy a Tikka. But then again, that was not the question. This thread really went off the rails.. glad I could help.... Again, OP find a classic stainless to build the rifle you want.

Nobody said the pre-64s were inaccurate. From an engineering standpoint, the receiver is more rigid but the narrower locking lugs provide less stability for the bolt under load but they can still be very accurate. Maybe not BR accurate but certainly high power accurate.
To be clear, I did not suggest a pre-64 action. I only mentioned it as being suitable for cases of 2.5 or less; which it is; it was just an observation. The H&H actions are simply an opened up action and not a real good solution IMO. I don't care if Winchester did do it. Again, just an observation.
As I said, for a long cartridge, either action (Model 70 push feed or Remington 700) is fine and the choice is based on other features than mag length. Some like the Model 70 trigger and three position safety, for instance. Some like the Winchester push feed extractor better while others like the gas handling of the 700 better. Many prefer the simplified bedding of the tubular 700 to the comparatively complex model 70. Many like the plethora of aftermarket triggers available for the 700. Some appreciate the greater primary extraction of the Model 70; some don't care. Some are appreciative of the greater strength of the 700 while others, aware that either action is more than sufficiently strong for any reasonable load, don't care. GD

^^THIS explains it very well ^^ , by the way i like pre64 Winchesters best for a bolt rifle to hunt with , but if i am in a match shooting competition i want my " Remington clone " Bat action , 4 oz. trigger , right bolt /left port , single shot bolt , 6 BR that rifle shots 2`s and 3`s > that`s 2/10 & 3/10 `s of an inch 5 shot groups at 100 yards consistently off a good bench and my rests and no my Winchesters won`t do that consistently. >sorry but this is the real truth above and my post here but i still prefer always for a Winchester pre64 70 or a Ruger #1 to hunt with.

Fellers, I big shick couldn't carry greydog's jockstrap.

i like what Greydog posted and he explained the differences of each of these two actions very well for all to understand well . keep this in mind one of the greatest snipers of all time used a Winchester rifle on his sniper missions Marine gunnery Carlos Hathcock.

Win 70... not questions asked.
I once owned a Rem 700... never again!


I would rank them:
New 64: with original trigger
Post 64: with original trigger
New 64: with new trigger
Pre 64: with original trigger

The original Win 70/Pre 64, has a design flaw the will blow gas and bits of shrapnel into your eye with case rupture.


And I would choose an classic Win caliber, then a Classic caliber, then other/wildcat caliber....
Never would a Remington caliber touch a Winchester rifle.. and vice versa.