Beretta 1301 or Benelli M4 and there are no comparisons.
I can give reasons but you’d probably just huff, puff, and mow the lawn again.
LOL
No. I'll be happy to hear what you have to say about them. I'll say that so far I'm looking at recoil operated actions. But the Benelli M4 action sounds interesting. I've read up on it but it's difficult to get a handle on what they're saying without having one disassembled in front of me.
It's simple when you look at the inertia action. A heavy coil spring in the bolt compresses when the gun recoils, causing cycling of the action.
That makes sense. I wish they had described it like that.
Short blow back gas piston inertia guns have their action/interia spring in the buttstock connected via a link bar to the bolt carrier and the bolt sits on top of the carrier. The only springs in the bolt are the firing pin spring and the extractor spring, most have a simple post in the barrel that acts as the ejector.
And that whole inertia assemble from the bolt back is held in with a easily removed charging handle.
That is the basic design of a short blow back gas piston inertia gun....
If we are gonna tell people info . Let's all try to tell them at least semi correct Info.
There is indeed an inertia spring housed within the bolt body behind the rotating bolt head in the Benelli inertia gun.
I've owned a couple of Remington shotguns, and, while I would not want to criticize another's taste in firearms, I will state emphatically.......I do not miss either of the 2 I took a chance on .....and will never be tempted by Remington again.
Short blow back gas piston inertia guns have their action/interia spring in the buttstock connected via a link bar to the bolt carrier and the bolt sits on top of the carrier. The only springs in the bolt are the firing pin spring and the extractor spring, most have a simple post in the barrel that acts as the ejector.
And that whole inertia assemble from the bolt back is held in with a easily removed charging handle.
That is the basic design of a short blow back gas piston inertia gun....
If we are gonna tell people info . Let's all try to tell them at least semi correct Info.
Had to YouTube it. Pretty slick that they fit a piston in between the barrel and the magazine.
Oh and just for GP.. Blackheart the " gunsmith" is wrong and dosent know what he is talking about. Part #,s 27 to 43 are the bolt assembly. With no springs in it like he and others have said.
Part #,s 89 to 94 are the short stroke piston and rod system.
Other short stroke interia guns have way less parts in them. A simple mossberg 930 or 935 is a example
Better look up the schematic for the Montefeltro shyt for brains,. There sure as hell is an inertia spring in the bolt body.
We were talking about the M4. And fighting shotguns Not hunting shotguns And you jumped in the conversation.
Now you want to throw in a different model cause I embarrased you and your lack of knowledge.
Classic Blackheart......[/quote] l believe Powell was trying to decribe the Benelli inertia operating system. That's what I was responding to. The m4 is not an inertia gun.
I've never had an issue with my Browning B-80 in the 40 or so years that I've owned it.
l told my pap and mam I was going to be a mountain man; acted like they was gut-shot. Make your life go here. Here's where the peoples is. Mother Gue, I says, the Rocky Mountains is the marrow of the world, and by God, I was right. - Del Gue
Fun to think back on good memories of gunsmith school when you and Marco Verilli basically came up with the current M3 design.
Kudos.
I am not familiar with the m4. It appears to be a gas piston gun, not an inertia gun.
Once again you are waffling because you dont know what you are talking about. It is a short stroke gas piston interia gun. A gas gun has no interia spring in the butstock. A gas gun has a rod system activated by the piston that connects it to the bolt assembly with a forward spring along the magizine tube of various designs
To make it clearer for you and others who might be wondering. Gas gun action spring forward of the bolt of various designs. Interia gun action spring rear ward of of the bolt of various designs.
And both totally different from blow back spring design.
Short blow back gas piston inertia guns have their action/interia spring in the buttstock connected via a link bar to the bolt carrier and the bolt sits on top of the carrier. The only springs in the bolt are the firing pin spring and the extractor spring, most have a simple post in the barrel that acts as the ejector.
And that whole inertia assemble from the bolt back is held in with a easily removed charging handle.
That is the basic design of a short blow back gas piston inertia gun....
If we are gonna tell people info . Let's all try to tell them at least semi correct Info.
Had to YouTube it. Pretty slick that they fit a piston in between the barrel and the magazine.
Oh and just for GP.. Blackheart the " gunsmith" is wrong and dosent know what he is talking about. Part #,s 27 to 43 are the bolt assembly. With no springs in it like he and others have said.
Part #,s 89 to 94 are the short stroke piston and rod system.
Other short stroke interia guns have way less parts in them. A simple mossberg 930 or 935 is a example
Better look up the schematic for the Montefeltro shyt for brains,. There sure as hell is an inertia spring in the bolt body.
We were talking about the M4. And fighting shotguns Not hunting shotguns And you jumped in the conversation.
Now you want to throw in a different model cause I embarrased you and your lack of knowledge.
Classic Blackheart......
l believe Powell was trying to decribe the Benelli inertia operating system. That's what I was responding to. The m4 is not an inertia gun.[/quote] Once again waffling, deflecting and not wanting to admit you are wrong.
Waste of time interacting with you. Your hard headedness knows no limits. Like it always has over the years. AMF.......
Fun to think back on good memories of gunsmith school when you and Marco Verilli basically came up with the current M3 design.
Kudos.
I am not familiar with the m4. It appears to be a gas piston gun, not an inertia gun.
Once again you are waffling because you dont know what you are talking about. It is a short stroke gas piston interia gun. A gas gun has no interia spring in the butstock. A gas gun has a rod system activated by the piston that connects it to the bolt assembly with a forward spring along the magizine tube of various designs
To make it clearer for you and others who might be wondering. Gas gun action spring forward of the bolt of various designs. Interia gun action spring rear ward of of the bolt of various designs.
And both totally different from blow back spring design.
There's no inertia to it. It's a gas piston gun. The spring in the butt stock is simply the recoil/bolt return spring.
Blackheart thinks interia guns require no bleed off gas piston system to operate.....
He must think short stroke gas piston inertia guns are blow back guns like a Winchester 190 .22 rifle with a spring behind the bolt and against the rear of the receiver body... 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I bet you dont even know the 8 cycles of function of a semi auto wpn. And how to apply that to trouble shoot malfunctions...
What you mean.
feed chamber Lock Fire unlock extract eject cock
We've been through this before you stupid fugg.
Uh huh I know we have and you had to goggle it again obviously.
I didn't answer last time you stupid sonofabitch. I simply told you that anybody who didn't know could look it up in a flash so it would prove nothing to answer.
One of my local gun shops has a couple of racks of second hand long guns and one of the racks always seems to be full of Turkish shotguns, pump and semi-auto.
It's a clever bit of business. Sell you a cheap Turkish shotgun that you'll bring back and trade at a loss for the superior and more expensive shogun you should have bought in the first place.
And then there are the guys who walk in, see a rack full of second hand Turkish shotguns and think, wow. These are some great prices.
Fun to think back on good memories of gunsmith school when you and Marco Verilli basically came up with the current M3 design.
Kudos.
I am not familiar with the m4. It appears to be a gas piston gun, not an inertia gun.
Once again you are waffling because you dont know what you are talking about. It is a short stroke gas piston interia gun. A gas gun has no interia spring in the butstock. A gas gun has a rod system activated by the piston that connects it to the bolt assembly with a forward spring along the magizine tube of various designs
To make it clearer for you and others who might be wondering. Gas gun action spring forward of the bolt of various designs. Interia gun action spring rear ward of of the bolt of various designs.
And both totally different from blow back spring design.
There's no inertia to it. It's a gas piston gun. The spring in the butt stock is simply the recoil/bolt return spring.
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Someone else explain this him... I'm going to bed . This is like interacting with a petulant child.
Blackheart thinks interia guns require no bleed off gas piston system to operate.....
He must think short stroke gas piston inertia guns are blow back guns like a Winchester 190 .22 rifle with a spring behind the bolt and against the rear of the receiver body... 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
They don't require any gas piston system or bleed off at all. Obviously you are the one who does not understand.
Spent quite a few years shooting an A-5 and love em, but they are reliable until they are not. Then a deep clean is ….not easy. A work of art inside, like a watch. That’s why Benelli is my choice now. Not that they are perfect or the best, but simple. It’s the combination of reliability and simplicity to clean that I like.
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