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We can stop the thread now. If we're talking about what's available now, absolutely - that's the case. deflave got the two b's backwards in order but they're probably honestly a tie anyway. My answer was and is still correct. Every remington model 11 owner I know still uses them even though most are nearly 100 years old. I'd be surprised if the b's last that long basically without any repairs and very little if any maintenance (mine is 96 years old and I dab a little motor oil on the tube once a year). Until this year, it got 1500 or so rounds through it annually so if you do the math that would be 144 thousand rounds with no repairs. That's not really the case though as mine spent it's first twenty years as a naval training weapon (fancy way of saying skeet shooting off the weather deck of a naval vessel) so the round count is probably way higher than 144k. Same goes for the beretta 300's, most are 50 years old and chugging right along with no maintenance and very few if any repairs. I have never cleaned my beretta 300 or my model 11. I'm not downing today's offerings in any way - just pointing out a couple hundred thousand rounds and a century of age tells the real tale. Please... You haven't owned yours for 96 years, you have no idea what was or wasn't maintained or repaired in the time it wasn't under your roof. The majority of Model 11s (and any other shotgun owned by average joe) haven't seen 10k rounds, let alone 144K - lol. OP is asking for a defensive tool, higher capacity the better. Not a fuggin' century old field gun that can be pressed into service. To that end, Flave's dissertation is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. The Rem M-11 and Browning A-5 are top performers even today You are stuck in the past, like the movie Groundhog Day. Lol. No I'm not I have Benelli but the fact is the Browning design is extremely reliable as were all of John Brownings patented firearms To say otherwise is just being ignorant or stupid To say otherwise means I'm aware of progress. Some aren't..
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We can stop the thread now. If we're talking about what's available now, absolutely - that's the case. deflave got the two b's backwards in order but they're probably honestly a tie anyway. My answer was and is still correct. Every remington model 11 owner I know still uses them even though most are nearly 100 years old. I'd be surprised if the b's last that long basically without any repairs and very little if any maintenance (mine is 96 years old and I dab a little motor oil on the tube once a year). Until this year, it got 1500 or so rounds through it annually so if you do the math that would be 144 thousand rounds with no repairs. That's not really the case though as mine spent it's first twenty years as a naval training weapon (fancy way of saying skeet shooting off the weather deck of a naval vessel) so the round count is probably way higher than 144k. Same goes for the beretta 300's, most are 50 years old and chugging right along with no maintenance and very few if any repairs. I have never cleaned my beretta 300 or my model 11. I'm not downing today's offerings in any way - just pointing out a couple hundred thousand rounds and a century of age tells the real tale. Please... You haven't owned yours for 96 years, you have no idea what was or wasn't maintained or repaired in the time it wasn't under your roof. The majority of Model 11s (and any other shotgun owned by average joe) haven't seen 10k rounds, let alone 144K - lol. OP is asking for a defensive tool, higher capacity the better. Not a fuggin' century old field gun that can be pressed into service. To that end, Flave's dissertation is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. The Rem M-11 and Browning A-5 are top performers even today You are stuck in the past, like the movie Groundhog Day. Lol. No I'm not I have Benelli but the fact is the Browning design is extremely reliable as were all of John Brownings patented firearms To say otherwise is just being ignorant or stupid To say otherwise means I'm aware of progress. Some aren't.. Progress hasn't made the A5 less reliable which is a fact
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We can stop the thread now. If we're talking about what's available now, absolutely - that's the case. deflave got the two b's backwards in order but they're probably honestly a tie anyway. My answer was and is still correct. Every remington model 11 owner I know still uses them even though most are nearly 100 years old. I'd be surprised if the b's last that long basically without any repairs and very little if any maintenance (mine is 96 years old and I dab a little motor oil on the tube once a year). Until this year, it got 1500 or so rounds through it annually so if you do the math that would be 144 thousand rounds with no repairs. That's not really the case though as mine spent it's first twenty years as a naval training weapon (fancy way of saying skeet shooting off the weather deck of a naval vessel) so the round count is probably way higher than 144k. Same goes for the beretta 300's, most are 50 years old and chugging right along with no maintenance and very few if any repairs. I have never cleaned my beretta 300 or my model 11. I'm not downing today's offerings in any way - just pointing out a couple hundred thousand rounds and a century of age tells the real tale. Please... You haven't owned yours for 96 years, you have no idea what was or wasn't maintained or repaired in the time it wasn't under your roof. The majority of Model 11s (and any other shotgun owned by average joe) haven't seen 10k rounds, let alone 144K - lol. OP is asking for a defensive tool, higher capacity the better. Not a fuggin' century old field gun that can be pressed into service. To that end, Flave's dissertation is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. The Rem M-11 and Browning A-5 are top performers even today You are stuck in the past, like the movie Groundhog Day. Lol. No I'm not I have Benelli but the fact is the Browning design is extremely reliable as were all of John Brownings patented firearms To say otherwise is just being ignorant or stupid To say otherwise means I'm aware of progress. Some aren't.. The OP's question was regarding fighting / home defense shotguns. If you're not talking Benelli M4 or Beretta 1301 Tactical, then you're not up to speed.
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You guys comparing the A5 to an M4, 2, or beretta 1301 are kidding yourselves.
Great, timeless guns but get real.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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You guys comparing the A5 to an M4, 2, or beretta 1301 are kidding yourselves.
Great, timeless guns but get real. Nope. The newly manufactured A5 is guaranteed to function flawlessly for 100,000 rds and they cycle faster https://www.browning.com/products/firearms/shotguns/a5/overview.html
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We can stop the thread now. If we're talking about what's available now, absolutely - that's the case. deflave got the two b's backwards in order but they're probably honestly a tie anyway. My answer was and is still correct. Every remington model 11 owner I know still uses them even though most are nearly 100 years old. I'd be surprised if the b's last that long basically without any repairs and very little if any maintenance (mine is 96 years old and I dab a little motor oil on the tube once a year). Until this year, it got 1500 or so rounds through it annually so if you do the math that would be 144 thousand rounds with no repairs. That's not really the case though as mine spent it's first twenty years as a naval training weapon (fancy way of saying skeet shooting off the weather deck of a naval vessel) so the round count is probably way higher than 144k. Same goes for the beretta 300's, most are 50 years old and chugging right along with no maintenance and very few if any repairs. I have never cleaned my beretta 300 or my model 11. I'm not downing today's offerings in any way - just pointing out a couple hundred thousand rounds and a century of age tells the real tale. Please... You haven't owned yours for 96 years, you have no idea what was or wasn't maintained or repaired in the time it wasn't under your roof. The majority of Model 11s (and any other shotgun owned by average joe) haven't seen 10k rounds, let alone 144K - lol. OP is asking for a defensive tool, higher capacity the better. Not a fuggin' century old field gun that can be pressed into service. To that end, Flave's dissertation is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. The Rem M-11 and Browning A-5 are top performers even today You are stuck in the past, like the movie Groundhog Day. Lol. No I'm not I have Benelli but the fact is the Browning design is extremely reliable as were all of John Brownings patented firearms To say otherwise is just being ignorant or stupid To say otherwise means I'm aware of progress. Some aren't.. I own A Benelli but I'm not dumb enough to think the A5 isn't just as reliable
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*OR 5 years Which comes first you think?
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That gun was introduced this year.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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*OR 5 years Which comes first you think? WOW, you are a brainaic aren't you
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The Beretta sounds great.
Bout the same money as a M2 eh? You mighta missed the header on the his topic, we’re talking shotguns, not tractors…
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*OR 5 years Which comes first you think? WOW, you are a brainaic aren't you Someday if I really apply myself I could be as smart as you! Almost
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That gun was introduced this year. There are reasons for me to pick the Benelli, they aren't more reliable than the A5 in fact they are about dead even
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*OR 5 years Which comes first you think? WOW, you are a brainaic aren't you Someday if I really apply myself I could be as smart as you! Almost That's a doubtful stretch. Name a shotgun with a better warranty.
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That gun was introduced this year. There are reasons for me to pick the Benelli, they aren't more reliable than the A5 in fact they are about dead even ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/m2gJghWz/giphy-gif-cid-ecf05e47vnx1ho2cbyj821h4lqksvh1cojh4asdulvc2epf7-rid-giphy.gif)
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That gun was introduced this year. There are reasons for me to pick the Benelli, they aren't more reliable than the A5 in fact they are about dead even You're idiocy doesn't require a double down, but thanks anyway
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*OR 5 years Which comes first you think? WOW, you are a brainaic aren't you Someday if I really apply myself I could be as smart as you! Almost That's a doubtful stretch. Name a shotgun with a better warranty. Kolar Would you like another?
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The Beretta sounds great.
Bout the same money as a M2 eh? You mighta missed the header on the his topic, we’re talking shotguns, not tractors… Always wanted a Lamborghini.
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[quote=drop_point]
We can stop the thread now. If we're talking about what's available now, absolutely - that's the case. deflave got the two b's backwards in order but they're probably honestly a tie anyway. My answer was and is still correct. Every remington model 11 owner I know still uses them even though most are nearly 100 years old. I'd be surprised if the b's last that long basically without any repairs and very little if any maintenance (mine is 96 years old and I dab a little motor oil on the tube once a year). Until this year, it got 1500 or so rounds through it annually so if you do the math that would be 144 thousand rounds with no repairs. That's not really the case though as mine spent it's first twenty years as a naval training weapon (fancy way of saying skeet shooting off the weather deck of a naval vessel) so the round count is probably way higher than 144k. Same goes for the beretta 300's, most are 50 years old and chugging right along with no maintenance and very few if any repairs. I have never cleaned my beretta 300 or my model 11. I'm not downing today's offerings in any way - just pointing out a couple hundred thousand rounds and a century of age tells the real tale. Please... You haven't owned yours for 96 years, you have no idea what was or wasn't maintained or repaired in the time it wasn't under your roof. The majority of Model 11s (and any other shotgun owned by average joe) haven't seen 10k rounds, let alone 144K - lol. OP is asking for a defensive tool, higher capacity the better. Not a fuggin' century old field gun that can be pressed into service. To that end, Flave's dissertation is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. The Rem M-11 and Browning A-5 are top performers even today You are stuck in the past, like the movie Groundhog Day. Lol. No I'm not I have Benelli but the fact is the Browning design is extremely reliable as were all of John Brownings patented firearms To say otherwise is just being ignorant or stupid To say otherwise means I'm aware of progress. Some aren't.. The OP's question was regarding fighting / home defense shotguns. If you're not talking Benelli M4 or Beretta 1301 Tactical, then you're not up to speed. Verbatim from op's original post: "most importantly, I want one that will go *BANG* every time I pull the trigger"
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*OR 5 years Which comes first you think? WOW, you are a brainaic aren't you Someday if I really apply myself I could be as smart as you! Almost That's a doubtful stretch. Name a shotgun with a better warranty. Kolar Would you like another? LMAO 🤣 You go out if context a throw out a trap shotgun You can't make this stupid crap up
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*OR 5 years Which comes first you think? WOW, you are a brainaic aren't you Someday if I really apply myself I could be as smart as you! Almost That's a doubtful stretch. Name a shotgun with a better warranty. Kolar Would you like another? Keep it to semi out for home defense types, since that is what we are discussing
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