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My binos cost more $$$ than any scope I've ever owned, FWIW. Are you bragging or complaining?
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I have an older Diavari and newer Nightforce NXS. Optical performance still goes to Diavari. Lower light, resolution, any way you want to measure it, Diavari wins. I want to compare it to a S&B but can't justify the three thousand dollar price tag and don't know if I really would gain anything over Diavari. The Polar smokes the Diavari actually. I have owned both and a Zeiss HT . That’s a pretty bold statement. I won’t argue the S&B may be brighter, but “smokes it” I think may be a bit much… I seriously doubt you could tell the difference. The difference is so small, it's almost impossible to tell without meters.
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My binos cost more $$$ than any scope I've ever owned, FWIW. Are you bragging or complaining? It doesn't take an alpha riflescope to kill stuff. Not surprised it flew over your head.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
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My binos cost more $$$ than any scope I've ever owned, FWIW. Are you bragging or complaining? It doesn't take an alpha riflescope to kill stuff. Not surprised it flew over your head. I get it. You're bragging.
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FWIW, it doesn't take alpha binoculars to kill stuff either.
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FWIW, it doesn't take alpha binoculars to kill stuff either. Right about that. Any $500 bino nowadays has as good of optics as a so called "alpha" from 15-20 years ago.
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I have an older Diavari and newer Nightforce NXS. Optical performance still goes to Diavari. Lower light, resolution, any way you want to measure it, Diavari wins. I want to compare it to a S&B but can't justify the three thousand dollar price tag and don't know if I really would gain anything over Diavari. The Polar smokes the Diavari actually. I have owned both and a Zeiss HT . That’s a pretty bold statement. I won’t argue the S&B may be brighter, but “smokes it” I think may be a bit much… I seriously doubt you could tell the difference. The difference is so small, it's almost impossible to tell without meters. I seriously can having owned all of them 20/10 vision in one eye 20/12 in the other. Meters my azz , you can easily see it unless you are Helen Keller.
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I have an older Diavari and newer Nightforce NXS. Optical performance still goes to Diavari. Lower light, resolution, any way you want to measure it, Diavari wins. I want to compare it to a S&B but can't justify the three thousand dollar price tag and don't know if I really would gain anything over Diavari. The Polar smokes the Diavari actually. I have owned both and a Zeiss HT . That’s a pretty bold statement. I won’t argue the S&B may be brighter, but “smokes it” I think may be a bit much… I seriously doubt you could tell the difference. The difference is so small, it's almost impossible to tell without meters. I seriously can having owned all of them 20/10 vision in one eye 20/12 in the other. Meters my azz , you can easily see it unless you are Helen Keller. OK Helen. I have several West German Diavari 3-9X36 scopes that are probably close to 40 years old and will still amaze you with their clarity. I’m not saying equal to the S&B, but still a long way from being smoked…
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I have an older Diavari and newer Nightforce NXS. Optical performance still goes to Diavari. Lower light, resolution, any way you want to measure it, Diavari wins. I want to compare it to a S&B but can't justify the three thousand dollar price tag and don't know if I really would gain anything over Diavari. The Polar smokes the Diavari actually. I have owned both and a Zeiss HT . That’s a pretty bold statement. I won’t argue the S&B may be brighter, but “smokes it” I think may be a bit much… I seriously doubt you could tell the difference. The difference is so small, it's almost impossible to tell without meters. I seriously can having owned all of them 20/10 vision in one eye 20/12 in the other. Meters my azz , you can easily see it unless you are Helen Keller. OK Helen. I have several West German Diavari 3-9X36 scopes that are probably close to 40 years old and will still amaze you with their clarity. I’m not saying equal to the S&B, but still a long way from being smoked… Yeah they will be smoked by the S&B easily. Have you bought one or used one? I'm going to go out on a limb and say NO. I Have used the 3-9x40 Diavaris , they were smoked by the equivalent Kahles and Swaro AV's and the predecessor to the AV. I love how everyone thinks they know more then the guy who actually owns the product and uses it a lot for its intended use. This place is hilarious.
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You Cat Ladies are a "rugged" lot and REALLY "know" your stuff. Hint. ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/923/oZREXl.png) ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/ZivpXg.png) ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/ziZ4pc.jpg) Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............
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I have an older Diavari and newer Nightforce NXS. Optical performance still goes to Diavari. Lower light, resolution, any way you want to measure it, Diavari wins. I want to compare it to a S&B but can't justify the three thousand dollar price tag and don't know if I really would gain anything over Diavari. The Polar smokes the Diavari actually. I have owned both and a Zeiss HT . That’s a pretty bold statement. I won’t argue the S&B may be brighter, but “smokes it” I think may be a bit much… I seriously doubt you could tell the difference. The difference is so small, it's almost impossible to tell without meters. I seriously can having owned all of them 20/10 vision in one eye 20/12 in the other. Meters my azz , you can easily see it unless you are Helen Keller. OK Helen. I have several West German Diavari 3-9X36 scopes that are probably close to 40 years old and will still amaze you with their clarity. I’m not saying equal to the S&B, but still a long way from being smoked… Yeah they will be smoked by the S&B easily. Have you bought one or used one? I'm going to go out on a limb and say NO. I Have used the 3-9x40 Diavaris , they were smoked by the equivalent Kahles and Swaro AV's and the predecessor to the AV. I love how everyone thinks they know more then the guy who actually owns the product and uses it a lot for its intended use. This place is hilarious. You continue with smoke and most of it is dope. The West German Diavari scopes were made when they were still using lead in glass and the added density that lead offers, does make for a better image than what you know. Look through the West German Diavari and you won’t see so much smoke…
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I have an older Diavari and newer Nightforce NXS. Optical performance still goes to Diavari. Lower light, resolution, any way you want to measure it, Diavari wins. I want to compare it to a S&B but can't justify the three thousand dollar price tag and don't know if I really would gain anything over Diavari. The Polar smokes the Diavari actually. I have owned both and a Zeiss HT . That’s a pretty bold statement. I won’t argue the S&B may be brighter, but “smokes it” I think may be a bit much… I seriously doubt you could tell the difference. The difference is so small, it's almost impossible to tell without meters. I seriously can having owned all of them 20/10 vision in one eye 20/12 in the other. Meters my azz , you can easily see it unless you are Helen Keller. You believe that the difference you perceive is due to the few percent difference in light transmission. That's what I'm saying you would not be able to detect. If there's a difference in perceived brightness, it's because of something else like type of glass, design, etc. Just not a few percent light transmission.
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Another rarely-mentioned factor in light transmission in interior "baffling," or anti-reflection coatings, inside scopes--which cut down on deflected light between the lenses.
Back in the primitive 1990s, Zeiss made a 6x32 riflescope that had "advanced" multi-coated lenses. Leupold made the 6x36 M8, which had single coated lenses.
While there was a little theoretical advantage to the 36mm objective of the Leupold, the difference in apparent brightness for the Leupold was very apparent--at least partly due to interior anti-reflection coatings. I know this due to owning more than one of both scopes during that era--though only two of the Zeisses, because the "primitive" 6x36 Leupold M8 was obviously a lot brighter.
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It's just that some people get hung up on numbers and draw conclusions from that, without really understanding what the numbers mean.
The transmission rate is not an absolute number. You simply cannot compare two riflescope and conclude that one will be brighter than the other simply because of a few points difference in light transmission. Saying that a 4X36 will be brighter than a 4X40 because it has a claimed 95% transmission rate compared to the 92% of the other one is ludicrous. If you could take two exact same riflescopes and coated one so that it had only 92% transmission and coated the other so that it had 95%, you would not be able to tell the difference without meters. It's a ridiculous comparison because a scope design is the sum of its parts.
My point is that making purchasing decision based on a few points difference in light transmission between to different scopes is untenable.
I am very comfortable with comparing two similar scopes with similar specs and picking one over the other on perceived brightness, that's a thing. But it won't be because of a few points in light transmission. It will be a combination of factors.
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I have an older Diavari and newer Nightforce NXS. Optical performance still goes to Diavari. Lower light, resolution, any way you want to measure it, Diavari wins. I want to compare it to a S&B but can't justify the three thousand dollar price tag and don't know if I really would gain anything over Diavari. The Polar smokes the Diavari actually. I have owned both and a Zeiss HT . That’s a pretty bold statement. I won’t argue the S&B may be brighter, but “smokes it” I think may be a bit much… I seriously doubt you could tell the difference. The difference is so small, it's almost impossible to tell without meters. I seriously can having owned all of them 20/10 vision in one eye 20/12 in the other. Meters my azz , you can easily see it unless you are Helen Keller. OK Helen. I have several West German Diavari 3-9X36 scopes that are probably close to 40 years old and will still amaze you with their clarity. I’m not saying equal to the S&B, but still a long way from being smoked… Yeah they will be smoked by the S&B easily. Have you bought one or used one? I'm going to go out on a limb and say NO. I Have used the 3-9x40 Diavaris , they were smoked by the equivalent Kahles and Swaro AV's and the predecessor to the AV. I love how everyone thinks they know more then the guy who actually owns the product and uses it a lot for its intended use. This place is hilarious. Shrap has probably owned more high dollar optics than you can imagine and I would trust his word on how they preform .
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