at the start it was showing these historians who said "the myth of Americans being good people is by and large false"
they go on to lecture Americans saying they should and could have done more to help Jews from German opression
but the narrator points out 1. America accepted more Jewish immigrants than any other sovereign nation 2. in the early part of the 20th century, New York was 1/4 Jewish 3. American Jews were split on whether accepting German Jewish immigrants en mass was good for the country
and then of course, they don't even mention the thousands of white crosses on the beaches of Normandy and throughout Europe
I was pissed off 10 minutes into it.
The documentary did go on to highlight some things I found interesting, especially when Germans were using Jim Crow laws as the basis for how they enacted laws against Jews, but I still can't get past America as a nation should have done more.
JFC
have you paid your dues, can you moan the blues, can you bend them guitar strings
at the start it was showing these historians who said "the myth of Americans being good people is by and large false"
they go on to lecture Americans saying they should and could have done more to help Jews from German opression
but the narrator points out 1. America accepted more Jewish immigrants than any other sovereign nation 2. in the early part of the 20th century, New York was 1/4 Jewish 3. American Jews were split on whether accepting German Jewish immigrants en mass was good for the country
and then of course, they don't even mention the thousands of white crosses on the beaches of Normandy and throughout Europe
I was pissed off 10 minutes into it.
The documentary did go on to highlight some things I found interesting, especially when Germans were using Jim Crow laws as the basis for how they enacted laws against Jews, but I still can't get past America as a nation should have done more.
JFC
Everybody should have done more, not just us. We did an awful lot, and have nothing to be ashamed of.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.”
I stumbled across some holocaust stuff on PBS the last 2 nights......if I had known Ken Burns had produced it I likely wouldn't have watched as much as I did.....
Last night I was a bit miffed on the question as to why Roosevelt would not bomb concentration camps......
The show spent way too much time on that argument.....
I watched a lot of it... funny how people today seem to always know better than the people at the time of things happening... Even the people of the time thought the reports coming out of Germany in 42-43 were all propaganda... No one could wrap their minds around people doing such a thing and certainly not to the extent it was being done. In the latter years of the war American certainly still did more than any other country to help. Typical anti-American stuff from the far left... They must realize there was only so much we could have done and we were doing a lot of it but they would rather hate America and rewrite history instead.
Complaining they did not bomb the railways and bomb the crematoria... They had already proved with other bombing that the Germans would have the railroads rebuilt in 24 hours or less and to think the bombers could hit only part of the camp (just the gas chambers and the crematoria) is just plain stupid. They even told that the camp was accidently hit when they were bombing a target over 2 miles away... and they wanted just to bomb just part of the camp... Oh please... just shows their agenda and what they wanted and ignoring all of the other factors involved...
Terrible what happened but to judge the American response on hind sight is always dicey at best. They better be glad the japs bombed pearl or we might never have gotten into the war.
The worst thing ever to happen to cops is the personal video recorder... Now people can see the truth
+1 I’m really interested in the math, it seems impossible…
The math is most definitively there and only the Germans could have done it. As far as the documentary, it's Ken Burns, complete leftist scumbag and the fact it's on PBS pretty much says it all. pass
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
The documentary did go on to highlight some things I found interesting, especially when Germans were using Jim Crow laws as the basis for how they enacted laws against Jews,
That was put into the documentary in order to equate Americans with Nazis. Essentially, it's saying that the Nazis originated in America.
The documentary did go on to highlight some things I found interesting, especially when Germans were using Jim Crow laws as the basis for how they enacted laws against Jews,
That was put into the documentary in order to equate Americans with Nazis. Essentially, it's saying that the Nazis originated in America.
That is obviously their intent, but factually accurate.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
The documentary did go on to highlight some things I found interesting, especially when Germans were using Jim Crow laws as the basis for how they enacted laws against Jews,
That was put into the documentary in order to equate Americans with Nazis. Essentially, it's saying that the Nazis originated in America.
That is obviously their intent, but factually accurate.
Anyone with two brain cells communicating with each other should know the intent of a documentary titled "The U.S. and the Holocaust".
There *is* no "U.S. and the Holocaust". Whatever it was, the U.S. had nothing to do with it.
I question the agenda of anyone who says that something that occurred in America was the model for Nazism.
The documentary did go on to highlight some things I found interesting, especially when Germans were using Jim Crow laws as the basis for how they enacted laws against Jews,
That was put into the documentary in order to equate Americans with Nazis. Essentially, it's saying that the Nazis originated in America.
That is obviously their intent, but factually accurate.
Anyone with two brain cells communicating with each other should know the intent of a documentary titled "The U.S. and the Holocaust".
There *is* no "U.S. and the Holocaust". Whatever it was, the U.S. had nothing to do with it.
I question the agenda of anyone who says that something that occurred in America was the model for Nazism.
100% agree, but it remains factually accurate the Germans used Jim Crow Laws as a template.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
It falls into the same category as "Trump supporters are a basket of deplorable".
It falls into the same category as "Trump supporters are irredeemable".
It falls into the same category as "Trump supporters are Fascists".
It's demonizing American Caucasians,...particularly Conservative, Southern Caucasians.
There's a lot of that going around these days. It's not a casual kind of thing. It's very deliberate.
Very true. I quit watching any documentaries the leftist Ken Burns presented after his documentary on the American Civil War. It was nothing but a full blown hit job against the South and Southerners.
L.W.
"Always go straight forward, and if you meet the devil, cut him in two and go between the pieces." (William Sturgis, clipper ship captain, 1830s.)
Most Americans were totally unaware of the situation. Our government kept us in the dark for political reasons.
Even Germans were unaware. Hell, the commandants were, as well (till they were tortured into "awareness"). So was the Red Cross, who had an office in every camp. They never saw a gas chamber, other than the small ones used for clothing fumigation. So few knew any of it was going on. The high command must have gone to extraordinary lengths to hide it. The International Red Cross, immediately after the war, carefully figured the total death toll in all the camps combined to have been on the order of 300,000, of which a minority were Jewish, most having succumbed to typhus during the final months of the war. Boy, were they bamboozled.
[quote=LeonHitchcox]Most Americans were totally unaware of the situation. Our government kept us in the dark for political reasons The International Red Cross, immediately after the war, carefully figured the total death toll in all the camps to have been on the order of 300,000, of which a minority were Jewish, most having succumbed to typhus during the final months of the war. Boy, were they YOU bamboozled.
nonsense alert...
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
The documentary did go on to highlight some things I found interesting, especially when Germans were using Jim Crow laws as the basis for how they enacted laws against Jews,
That was put into the documentary in order to equate Americans with Nazis. Essentially, it's saying that the Nazis originated in America.
That is obviously their intent, but factually accurate.
Anyone with two brain cells communicating with each other should know the intent of a documentary titled "The U.S. and the Holocaust".
There *is* no "U.S. and the Holocaust". Whatever it was, the U.S. had nothing to do with it.
I question the agenda of anyone who says that something that occurred in America was the model for Nazism.
100% agree, but it remains factually accurate the Germans used Jim Crow Laws as a template.
Most Americans were totally unaware of the situation. Our government kept us in the dark for political reasons.
Even Germans were unaware. Hell, the commandants were, as well (till they were tortured into "awareness"). So was the Red Cross, who had an office in every camp. They never saw a gas chamber, other than the small ones used for clothing fumigation. So few knew any of it was going on. The high command must have gone to extraordinary lengths to hide it. The International Red Cross, immediately after the war, carefully figured the total death toll in all the camps combined to have been on the order of 300,000, of which a minority were Jewish, most having succumbed to typhus during the final months of the war. Boy, were they bamboozled.
Yeah, my 1967 Webster's College Dictionary says it refers to a burnt offering or total destruction of something. No mention of WWII or Germans. College students must have been kept ignorant of it back in '67.
There are several, the Germans just took it to a new level to include mud-sharking, translated into German, prohibiting interracial marriages like in 30 of 48 states. But why bother, citing sources, you'll just say it's propaganda. There are many sources out there and any student of history is aware.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Most Americans were totally unaware of the situation. Our government kept us in the dark for political reasons.
Even Germans were unaware. Hell, the commandants were, as well (till they were tortured into "awareness"). So was the Red Cross, who had an office in every camp. They never saw a gas chamber, other than the small ones used for clothing fumigation. So few knew any of it was going on. The high command must have gone to extraordinary lengths to hide it. The International Red Cross, immediately after the war, carefully figured the total death toll in all the camps combined to have been on the order of 300,000, of which a minority were Jewish, most having succumbed to typhus during the final months of the war. Boy, were they bamboozled.
I read somewhere the NSDAP officers had rail cars they’d make Jewish prisoners climb in. They’d send the cars down an incline where they’d hit a stop and dump the load of prisoners into a crematory. Any truth to that?
Yeah, my 1967 Webster's College Dictionary says it refers to a burnt offering or total destruction of something. No mention of WWII or Germans. College students must have been kept ignorant of it back in '67.
Here’s a good watch for you hawk. Details how it never really happened.
I read somewhere the NSDAP officers had rail cars they’d make Jewish prisoners climb in. They’d send the cars down an incline where they’d hit a stop and dump the load of prisoners into a crematory. Any truth to that?
Interesting…..so German cremation entails having to buy a wood coffin only to be cremated in it? Doesn’t make sense…
�Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr.
Here’s a good watch for you hawk. Details how it never really happened.
There were certainly camps under German control for all sorts of people identified (rightly or wrongly) as threats to Germany (a la FDR's Japanese Internment program). They were certainly put to work for the war effort (FDR did this as well with regard to Japanese Americans). Many people certainly died under poor conditions from various causes in the German camps, the vast majority of whom during the last months of the war. It was undoubtedly a massive tragedy, one among many such tragedies that occurred in all areas of the world affected by WWII.
Here’s a good watch for you hawk. Details how it never really happened.
There were certainly camps under German control for all sorts of people identified (rightly or wrongly) as threats to Germany (a la FDR's Japanese Internment program). They were certainly put to work for the war effort (FDR did this as well with regard to Japanese Americans). Many people certainly died under poor conditions from various causes in the German camps, the vast majority of whom during the last months of the war. It was undoubtedly a massive tragedy, one among many such tragedies that occurred in all areas of the world affected by WWII.
Yep. They were just like the Japanese internment camps.
Yep. They were just like the Japanese internment camps.
They certainly were not, particularly near the end. Being on the losing side of a World War means any camps you preside over are going to experience some very poor conditions within them, for a multitude of reasons.
Interesting…..so German cremation entails having to buy a wood coffin only to be cremated in it? Doesn’t make sense…
The American cremation I have recent first hand knowledge of worked the same way.
That’s interesting because I have NEVER heard of such a thing as standard practice. I was researching the potential for a cremation business opportunity a few years ago and none of them did that as standard practice. It really is unnecessary and an additional cost. None of my cremated family members (6+) were put in a coffin for cremation.
It would seem like a wasteful, costly, unnecessary burden. Typically the corpse is placed on a “table grate” and slid into the crematorium.
�Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr.
Last Ken Burns documentary I watched was the one on the history of baseball. It was pretty good until he got to part of kissing Jackie Robinson’s ass. 😬
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
Yep. They were just like the Japanese internment camps.
They certainly were not, particularly near the end. Being on the losing side of a World War means any camp you preside over is going to experience some very poor conditions within them, for a multitude of reasons.
Oh.
So that’s all it was? Poor conditions from being on the losing side of the war?
Here’s a good watch for you hawk. Details how it never really happened.
There were certainly camps under German control for all sorts of people identified (rightly or wrongly) as threats to Germany (a la FDR's Japanese Internment program). They were certainly put to work for the war effort (FDR did this as well with regard to Japanese Americans). Many people certainly died under poor conditions from various causes in the German camps, the vast majority of whom during the last months of the war. It was undoubtedly a massive tragedy, one among many such tragedies that occurred in all areas of the world affected by WWII.
We had them, too. In fact there were a whole row of them on our Ellis Island immigration facility. There were so many people in these work camps, their populations compared to those of small cities. Pick a small city in your area, and research how many cremation ovens can be found there.
I didn't witness the actual cremation, off course. But when my father in law died, he requested cremation and the funeral home had a nice casket that was designed to hold a simple, pine box. You couldn't see the box when it was in the casket. It had some lining that covered it. I don't know if the pine box was burned during the cremation.
As a side note, we got the itemized bill from the funeral home, and they charged $3500 for the use of the reusable casket that held the pine box,...three days laying in a casket that got used over and over again for people who requested cremation. I told my wife that he could have stayed in a fairly nice resort somewhere for three days for less than $3500.
He had funeral insurance for $10,000. Guess what. The bill for the funeral came out to $10,000. The $3500 charge for laying in the reusable casket for three days rounded it up to that amount.
I recently watched a documentary about “camps”. It was interviews of camp guards of various ranks describing what they saw and what they personally did. Some were absolutely unapologetic while others were obviously lying and trying to downplay their involvement. None of them said that it didn’t happen and none of those Deathhead squad members said that it was blown out of proportion.
The Germans were meticulous bookkeepers, “we” didn’t have to interpolate or extrapolate their missing data because there was no missing data!
�Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr.
Interesting…..so German cremation entails having to buy a wood coffin only to be cremated in it? Doesn’t make sense…
The American cremation I have recent first hand knowledge of worked the same way.
That’s interesting because I have NEVER heard of such a thing as standard practice. I was researching the potential for a cremation business opportunity a few years ago and none of them did that as standard practice. It really is unnecessary and an additional cost. None of my cremated family members (6+) were put in a coffin for cremation.
It would seem like a wasteful, costly, unnecessary burden. Typically the corpse is placed on a “table grate” and slid into the crematorium.
I can't tell you if it was required or if it was something they slipped in hoping it wouldn't be questioned in time, which it wasn't. I was gone before that got sorted out. Happened in Florida.
We had them, too. In fact there were a whole row of them on our Ellis Island immigration facility. There were so many people in these work camps, their populations compared to those of small cities. Pick a small city in your area, and research how many cremation ovens can be found there.
We had them, too. In fact there were a whole row of them on our Ellis Island immigration facility. There were so many people in these work camps, their populations compared to those of small cities. Pick a small city in your area, and research how many cremation ovens can be found there.
I think you encountered a potentially shady company. I’m sure each state has varying requirements but one of the “benefits” of cremation is NOT having to buy a coffin. A body bag…maybe but not a coffin. Unfortunately when the loved ones are dealing with a cremation service or cemetery, etc they’re overwhelmed with grief, fear and every other emotion endemic to humans in the wake of the death of their loved ones which makes them ripe prey for unethical scumbags. I hope there’s a warm corner of hell for those swindlers.
Anyway it’s always interesting to hear stories that are different from my experience and I appreciate the different experiences we all have.
�Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr.
I recently watched a documentary about how little green men from Neptune built the pyramids in Egypt.
Were they first hand accounts from the little green men? Were your little green men from Neptune honest or were they trying to cover up their complicity?
Nanoo nanoo…
�Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr.
Yes as I said in my original post it was interviews of various camp guards in their own words. Yes it was obvious that some were lying to downplay their involvement. Some were absolutely unapologetic and standby their actions. Others were haunted by their own involvement but it’s also understood that they didn’t have a choice in the end. They either did their job and followed orders or they were sent to the camp (according to several of the guards), the citizenry was just as scared.
I’m going to politely bow out now since these threads never find common ground and only serve to foster bad feelings. I appreciate your perspectives Bristoe and I don’t know if you and I can find common ground here.
I have no love for the Jews but I despise untruths and revisionism even more.
�Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr.
We had them, too. In fact there were a whole row of them on our Ellis Island immigration facility. There were so many people in these work camps, their populations compared to those of small cities. Pick a small city in your area, and research how many cremation ovens can be found there.
We have gas chambers too?
That's not a gas chamber. That's a picture of some cremation ovens.
There were gas chambers in the German camps, but for clothing fumigation against lice. They used Zyklon B, which was a commonly used pesticide at that time.
There were gas chambers in the German camps, but for clothing fumigation against lice. They used Zyklon B, which was a commonly used insecticide at that time.
Well that makes sense.
I can see how fumigation against lice would have been a priority, since everyone was so well fed and cared for in the camps.
Yes as I said in my original post it was interviews of various camp guards in their own words. Yes it was obvious that some were lying to downplay their involvement. Some were absolutely unapologetic and standby their actions. Others were haunted by their own involvement but it’s also understood that they didn’t have a choice in the end. They either did their job and followed orders or they were sent to the camp (according to several of the guards), the citizenry was just as scared.
I’m going to politely bow out now since these threads never find common ground and only serve to foster bad feelings. I appreciate your perspectives Bristoe and I don’t know if you and I can find common ground here.
I have no love for the Jews but I despise untruths and revisionism even more.
Well said. This was my introduction to the topic. Episode 20 of the British series The World at War, mid-1970s. YRMV
Here’s a good watch for you hawk. Details how it never really happened.
There were certainly camps under German control for all sorts of people identified (rightly or wrongly) as threats to Germany (a la FDR's Japanese Internment program). They were certainly put to work for the war effort (FDR did this as well with regard to Japanese Americans). Many people certainly died under poor conditions from various causes in the German camps, the vast majority of whom during the last months of the war. It was undoubtedly a massive tragedy, one among many such tragedies that occurred in all areas of the world affected by WWII.
That looks like a massive tragedy? Just a common way of dying? I watched the first installment of the people dying of "poor conditions" and the many poor condition deaths ??? We all know it happened, it even showed the German troops filming what they were doing. Even those killers knew why those innocent people it was more than "poor conditions" that was causing millions of people---not just Jewish, to die! Once I saw it was a Ken Burns production, knew I wouldn't have watched it if I knew it was done by him! The pictures however, weren't fake and Burns didn't take them.
Against my better judgement I turned on the show. And then this came across "the myth of Americans being good people is by and large false"
I lasted 15 minutes and I turned off the tv. More socialist BS from Ken Burns.
I watched the Civil War documentary by Burns 30 years ago and it was very good. Evidently Ken got fired up by Black Lives Matter and these days he can't help but put America hating Lib BS into his shows. In that light, he is perfect for "WE HATE TRUMP" PBS.
Against my better judgement I turned on the show. And then this came across "the myth of Americans being good people is by and large false"
I lasted 15 minutes and I turned off the tv. More socialist BS from Ken Burns.
I watched the Civil War documentary by Burns 30 years ago and it was very good. Evidently Ken got fired up by Black Lives Matter and these days he can't help but put America hating Lib BS into his shows. In that light, he is perfect for "WE HATE TRUMP" PBS.
yea, he had to inject BLM BS into the country music documentary too
have you paid your dues, can you moan the blues, can you bend them guitar strings
Can't understand waiting to be executed. If ya know it's going to happen do some sort of resistance, spit on the fuggers.
Not seeing any documentation of what that's a picture of, I'd assume it represents one of the many cases where partizans were summarily executed in the field under the authority of the military. A partizan is someone who, absent uniform, is working with the enemy of the occupation force, in this case, I'm assuming, the Soviet Union (NKVD).
War is a terrible business, and summary execution of captured partizans wasn't unusual. I guarantee that our allies, the Soviets, engaged in it, too, and likely with less care as to who.
At any rate, that doesn't appear to be an action that took place in a concentration camp.
Not seeing any documentation of what that's a picture of, I'd assume it represents one of the many cases where partizans were summarily executed in the field under the authority of the military. A partizan is someone who, absent uniform, is working with the enemy of the occupation force, in this case, I'm assuming, the Soviet Union (NKVD).
War is a terrible business, and summary execution of captured partizans wasn't unusual. I guaranty that our allies, the Soviets, engaged in it, too, and likely with less care as to who.
At any rate, that doesn't appear to be an action that took place in a concentration camp.
Yes as I said in my original post it was interviews of various camp guards in their own words. Yes it was obvious that some were lying to downplay their involvement. Some were absolutely unapologetic and standby their actions. Others were haunted by their own involvement but it’s also understood that they didn’t have a choice in the end. They either did their job and followed orders or they were sent to the camp (according to several of the guards), the citizenry was just as scared.
I’m going to politely bow out now since these threads never find common ground and only serve to foster bad feelings. I appreciate your perspectives Bristoe and I don’t know if you and I can find common ground here.
I have no love for the Jews but I despise untruths and revisionism even more.
If there's an agenda attached to the topic, the documentary is a lie,....and there's an agenda attached to pretty much everything that get's broadcast over the propaganda box or in movies or music these days.
The agenda gets funding.
Look up who funded Ken Burns documentary about white Americans being the origin of the Nazis.
Eyes to see, ears to hear. Some people got 'em,....some people don't.
It's a strange phenomenon. I often wonder where it comes from. Then I read John 8:42-47.
Some points are more steeped in history than others. Adolf Hitler, it is documented, was greatly inspired by America’s Jim Crow laws when thinking about how to restrict the rights of Jews in Germany. He drew inspiration from Manifest Destiny, and how American Indians were removed from their land by rotten treaties and placed in reservations.
In other words,...It's Caucasian American's fault.
“It’s not one of the things that will go down in the long annals of good things America did. It goes in a different book,” says Prof. Deborah Lipstadt, forever the voice of reason, coming to terms with something nobody wants to hear — and that she undoubtedly wishes she did not have to say.
She’s speaking about the American response to — and, in some ways, even its shared culpability in — the Holocaust.
MF'ers
Deborah E. Lipstadt was confirmed by the U.S. Senate on March 30, 2022 as the Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Antisemitism, with the rank of Ambassador. As Special Envoy, she leads efforts to advance U.S. foreign policy to counter antisemitism throughout the world.
Special Envoy Lipstadt has a storied career as a historian, academic, and author. At Emory University’s Tam Institute for Jewish Studies, which she helped to found, she served as the Dorot Professor of Modern Jewish History and Holocaust Studies. She has also taught at the University of Washington, UCLA and Occidental College. Special Envoy Lipstadt also served as the director of the Brandeis-Bardin Institute and was a research fellow at the Vidal Sassoon International Center for the Study of Antisemitism at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
in other words she see Antisemitism like I see blades of grass in my yard.
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have you paid your dues, can you moan the blues, can you bend them guitar strings
One small point, America probably couldnt strongly confront Germany militarily any sooner then they did, or else they would have gotten beaten. I think the one thing America could have done differently, was America could have taken in more prewar jewish refugees.
America could have taken prewar refugees. They could have pressured Great Britain to relax immigration rules for Jewish Palestine, or they could have set up their own version of the Haavara agreement.
Anyone could have. But they didn’t.
It isn’t like the NSDAP was alone in seeking a solution to the Jewish Question either in the 30s or well before that.
at the start it was showing these historians who said "the myth of Americans being good people is by and large false"
they go on to lecture Americans saying they should and could have done more to help Jews from German opression
but the narrator points out 1. America accepted more Jewish immigrants than any other sovereign nation 2. in the early part of the 20th century, New York was 1/4 Jewish 3. American Jews were split on whether accepting German Jewish immigrants en mass was good for the country
and then of course, they don't even mention the thousands of white crosses on the beaches of Normandy and throughout Europe
I was pissed off 10 minutes into it.
The documentary did go on to highlight some things I found interesting, especially when Germans were using Jim Crow laws as the basis for how they enacted laws against Jews, but I still can't get past America as a nation should have done more.
JFC
Thank you for saving me from watching propaganda horse$h!t.
KFWA: I was incensed by that little cock sucker trying to blame America and Americans for the holocaust! I sayfuck him and the liberals he rode in with. Almost got through the first episode when rage and disgust overcame my curiosity. Just more liberal mental disease on display being touted by other white guilt ridden liberal idiots (no offense turdquinn!). Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
I always found the whole thing absurd. Even as far back as high school, though it didn't really concern me much at that time. Six Million⟨™⟩? Really? What were their names? Where were they from? This isn't ancient times, people had names, they had addresses, they had jobs, they had tax records... who were these Six Million⟨™⟩? Gas chambers? Poison showers? Shrunken heads? Lampshades?... How utterly fuggin' ridiculous! Just on its face.. ridiculous. The more I started to look and research, the more ridiculous it all was.
But... It is far easier to fool a man than to convince him he has been fooled. Especially about something so monumental as this. Especially about a war. People are way too emotionally invested in the story. NOBODY wants to admit that they, or their fathers, or their grandfathers fought a war that they shouldn't have, and definitely nobody wants to admit that they fought on the wrong side! That is absolutely unacceptable to most people, and any questioning of any aspect of the narrative is automatically considered "anti-semitic", treason, wacky conspiracy theory, blah, blah, blah. It does not matter what evidence is presented to the contrary (or the lack of evidence supporting their tale), most people will NEVER allow consideration of it.
I always found the whole thing absurd. Even as far back as high school, though it didn't really concern me much at that time. Six Million⟨™⟩? Really? What were their names? Where were they from? This isn't ancient times, people had names, they had addresses, they had jobs, they had tax records... who were these Six Million⟨™⟩? Gas chambers? Poison showers? Shrunken heads? Lampshades?... How utterly fuggin' ridiculous! Just on its face.. ridiculous. The more I started to look and research, the more ridiculous it all was.
But... It is far easier to fool a man than to convince him he has been fooled. Especially about something so monumental as this. Especially about a war. People are way too emotionally invested in the story. NOBODY wants to admit that they, or their fathers, or their grandfathers fought a war that they shouldn't have, and definitely nobody wants to admit that they fought on the wrong side! That is absolutely unacceptable to most people, and any questioning of any aspect of the narrative is automatically considered "anti-semitic", treason, wacky conspiracy theory, blah, blah, blah. It does not matter what evidence is presented to the contrary (or the lack of evidence supporting their tale), most people will NEVER allow consideration of it.
Yep. Scratch the surface, and it all falls apart, but most are so brainwashed from childhood that they are incapable of making the effort to even scratch the surface of the lie.
I always found the whole thing absurd. Even as far back as high school, though it didn't really concern me much at that time. Six Million⟨™⟩? Really? What were their names? Where were they from? This isn't ancient times, people had names, they had addresses, they had jobs, they had tax records... who were these Six Million⟨™⟩? Gas chambers? Poison showers? Shrunken heads? Lampshades?... How utterly fuggin' ridiculous! Just on its face.. ridiculous. The more I started to look and research, the more ridiculous it all was.
But... It is far easier to fool a man than to convince him he has been fooled. Especially about something so monumental as this. Especially about a war. People are way too emotionally invested in the story. NOBODY wants to admit that they, or their fathers, or their grandfathers fought a war that they shouldn't have, and definitely nobody wants to admit that they fought on the wrong side! That is absolutely unacceptable to most people, and any questioning of any aspect of the narrative is automatically considered "anti-semitic", treason, wacky conspiracy theory, blah, blah, blah. It does not matter what evidence is presented to the contrary (or the lack of evidence supporting their tale), most people will NEVER allow consideration of it.
Yep. Scratch the surface, and it all falls apart, but most are so brainwashed from childhood that they are incapable of making the effort to even scratch the surface of the lie.
I hear that Mao only killed a couple dozen of his own people.
See, that's the thing. A central characteristic of the communists is to accuse their enemies of what they themselves are actually doing. While the Soviets were actually committing intentional mass murder of their own population (prior to, and during the war), they were putting out massive amounts of propaganda about the Germans doing that. After the war, that propaganda was deemed by the victorious Allies to be useful for advancing the anti-German policies they had planned (see, e.g., The Morgenthau Plan), so they adopted and promoted it themselves, and codified it at Nuremberg.
I'm not watching the crap, of course, but I'm curious... Does Ken Burns highlight all the jews that escaped the eeeevil Naaahtsies by hiding in giant latrines full of excrement? That seems to have been one of their favorite methods of evasion....
I always found the whole thing absurd. Even as far back as high school, though it didn't really concern me much at that time. Six Million⟨™⟩? Really? What were their names? Where were they from? This isn't ancient times, people had names, they had addresses, they had jobs, they had tax records... who were these Six Million⟨™⟩? Gas chambers? Poison showers? Shrunken heads? Lampshades?... How utterly fuggin' ridiculous! Just on its face.. ridiculous. The more I started to look and research, the more ridiculous it all was.
But... It is far easier to fool a man than to convince him he has been fooled. Especially about something so monumental as this. Especially about a war. People are way too emotionally invested in the story. NOBODY wants to admit that they, or their fathers, or their grandfathers fought a war that they shouldn't have, and definitely nobody wants to admit that they fought on the wrong side! That is absolutely unacceptable to most people, and any questioning of any aspect of the narrative is automatically considered "anti-semitic", treason, wacky conspiracy theory, blah, blah, blah. It does not matter what evidence is presented to the contrary (or the lack of evidence supporting their tale), most people will NEVER allow consideration of it.
Yep. Scratch the surface, and it all falls apart, but most are so brainwashed from childhood that they are incapable of making the effort to even scratch the surface of the lie.
Wow.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender
I always found the whole thing absurd. Even as far back as high school, though it didn't really concern me much at that time. Six Million⟨™⟩? Really? What were their names? Where were they from? This isn't ancient times, people had names, they had addresses, they had jobs, they had tax records... who were these Six Million⟨™⟩? Gas chambers? Poison showers? Shrunken heads? Lampshades?... How utterly fuggin' ridiculous! Just on its face.. ridiculous. The more I started to look and research, the more ridiculous it all was.
But... It is far easier to fool a man than to convince him he has been fooled. Especially about something so monumental as this. Especially about a war. People are way too emotionally invested in the story. NOBODY wants to admit that they, or their fathers, or their grandfathers fought a war that they shouldn't have, and definitely nobody wants to admit that they fought on the wrong side! That is absolutely unacceptable to most people, and any questioning of any aspect of the narrative is automatically considered "anti-semitic", treason, wacky conspiracy theory, blah, blah, blah. It does not matter what evidence is presented to the contrary (or the lack of evidence supporting their tale), most people will NEVER allow consideration of it.
Lack of evidence supporting their tale? You’ve got to be kidding.
we have a couple of real nazis here. TRH and this stophel clown are beyond nuts. There are others as well.
Oh bullchit. I heard it was just like we did to the Japanese. Don't get confused by a "few" bogus reports. See, they're not even dead. Sheesh.
Holocaust deniers are so fulla schit. My Pop would disagree. Rolled over the fences at one of the Dachau camps. Saw the evil WITH HIS OWN EYES. I've posted his notes on that here before.
How anybody can be so stupid to deny the Holocaust happened is beyond me.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.
we have a couple of real nazis here. TRH and this stophel clown are beyond nuts. There are others as well.
Oh bullchit. I heard it was just like we did to the Japanese. Don't get confused by a "few" bogus reports. See, they're not even dead. Sheesh.
Holocaust deniers are so fulla schit. My Pop would disagree. Rolled over the fences at one of the Dachau camps. Saw the evil WITH HIS OWN EYES. I've posted his notes on that here before.
How anybody can be so stupid to deny the Holocaust happened is beyond me.
Oh bullshit, Americans didn't liberate a single 'death camp'. That's because there weren't any. Look it up. I've been studying this fantasy for 20 years. Were they starving, yes because the supply lines had been wiped out.
we have a couple of real nazis here. TRH and this stophel clown are beyond nuts. There are others as well.
Oh bullchit. I heard it was just like we did to the Japanese. Don't get confused by a "few" bogus reports. See, they're not even dead. Sheesh.
Holocaust deniers are so fulla schit. My Pop would disagree. Rolled over the fences at one of the Dachau camps. Saw the evil WITH HIS OWN EYES. I've posted his notes on that here before.
How anybody can be so stupid to deny the Holocaust happened is beyond me.
Truth. These guys are beyond stupid, more perverse than anything. Well, several are fuucking idiots for damned sure!
Awhile back another dipchit was claiming no planes hit the WTCs on 9-11. Worse than the French chick claims that nobody just walks across the southern border. Dumb as fuuck to refute the irreducible.
"I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!" --- Kid Rock 2022
we have a couple of real nazis here. TRH and this stophel clown are beyond nuts. There are others as well.
Oh bullchit. I heard it was just like we did to the Japanese. Don't get confused by a "few" bogus reports. See, they're not even dead. Sheesh.
Holocaust deniers are so fulla schit. My Pop would disagree. Rolled over the fences at one of the Dachau camps. Saw the evil WITH HIS OWN EYES. I've posted his notes on that here before.
How anybody can be so stupid to deny the Holocaust happened is beyond me.
Oh bullshit, Americans didn't liberate a single 'death camp'. That's because there weren't any. Look it up. I've been studying this fantasy for 20 years. Were they starving, yes because the supply lines had been wiped out.
You're gnorant.. and fulla schit.
MY DAD WAS THERE! AND HE WAS NO LIAR! YOU IG'NANT FUGK!
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.
we have a couple of real nazis here. TRH and this stophel clown are beyond nuts. There are others as well.
Oh bullchit. I heard it was just like we did to the Japanese. Don't get confused by a "few" bogus reports. See, they're not even dead. Sheesh.
Holocaust deniers are so fulla schit. My Pop would disagree. Rolled over the fences at one of the Dachau camps. Saw the evil WITH HIS OWN EYES. I've posted his notes on that here before.
How anybody can be so stupid to deny the Holocaust happened is beyond me.
Oh bullshit, Americans didn't liberate a single 'death camp'. That's because there weren't any. Look it up. I've been studying this fantasy for 20 years. Were they starving, yes because the supply lines had been wiped out.
we have a couple of real nazis here. TRH and this stophel clown are beyond nuts. There are others as well.
Oh bullchit. I heard it was just like we did to the Japanese. Don't get confused by a "few" bogus reports. See, they're not even dead. Sheesh.
Holocaust deniers are so fulla schit. My Pop would disagree. Rolled over the fences at one of the Dachau camps. Saw the evil WITH HIS OWN EYES. I've posted his notes on that here before.
How anybody can be so stupid to deny the Holocaust happened is beyond me.
Oh bullshit, Americans didn't liberate a single 'death camp'. That's because there weren't any. Look it up. I've been studying this fantasy for 20 years. Were they starving, yes because the supply lines had been wiped out.
You're gnorant.. and fulla schit.
MY DAD WAS THERE! AND HE WAS NO LIAR! YOU IG'NANT FUGK!
I didn't call him a liar, but I'll guaranfuckinT he never saw a gas chamber. Whatever, I'm out, I just don't have the fugkin energy anymore.
Oh bullshit, Americans didn't liberate a single 'death camp'. That's because there weren't any. Look it up. I've been studying this fantasy for 20 years. Were they starving, yes because the supply lines had been wiped out.
Seeing death and disease is not proof of a "holocaust"... but you can't tell people that.
we have a couple of real nazis here. TRH and this stophel clown are beyond nuts. There are others as well.
Oh bullchit. I heard it was just like we did to the Japanese. Don't get confused by a "few" bogus reports. See, they're not even dead. Sheesh.
Holocaust deniers are so fulla schit. My Pop would disagree. Rolled over the fences at one of the Dachau camps. Saw the evil WITH HIS OWN EYES. I've posted his notes on that here before.
How anybody can be so stupid to deny the Holocaust happened is beyond me.
Oh bullshit, Americans didn't liberate a single 'death camp'. That's because there weren't any. Look it up. I've been studying this fantasy for 20 years. Were they starving, yes because the supply lines had been wiped out.
You're gnorant.. and fulla schit.
MY DAD WAS THERE! AND HE WAS NO LIAR! YOU IG'NANT FUGK!
I didn't call him a liar, but I'll guaranfuckinT he never saw a gas chamber. Whatever, I'm out, I just don't have the fugkin energy anymore.
I never said anything anywhere that my Dad ever said anything about gas chambers.
They rolled over the fences, gave the prisoners some food and left. They were told not to give them too much food because it would kill them. The prisoners asked for weapons to chase the German guards down who had fled into the forest.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.
Oh bullshit, Americans didn't liberate a single 'death camp'. That's because there weren't any. Look it up. I've been studying this fantasy for 20 years. Were they starving, yes because the supply lines had been wiped out.
Seeing death and disease is not proof of a "holocaust"... but you can't tell people that.
YHGTBKM,
The Nuremberg trials provide the best irrefutable evidence of the Holocaust evil!
we have a couple of real nazis here. TRH and this stophel clown are beyond nuts. There are others as well.
Oh bullchit. I heard it was just like we did to the Japanese. Don't get confused by a "few" bogus reports. See, they're not even dead. Sheesh.
Holocaust deniers are so fulla schit. My Pop would disagree. Rolled over the fences at one of the Dachau camps. Saw the evil WITH HIS OWN EYES. I've posted his notes on that here before.
How anybody can be so stupid to deny the Holocaust happened is beyond me.
Oh bullshit, Americans didn't liberate a single 'death camp'. That's because there weren't any. Look it up. I've been studying this fantasy for 20 years. Were they starving, yes because the supply lines had been wiped out.
So ghosiinthemachine is an antisemite?
Sounds like it.
BTW- Not every Holocaust victim or survivor was Jewish. The Nazis were equal opportunity murderers.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.
I hear that Mao only killed a couple dozen of his own people.
What about that Pol Pot guy? I think he was kind of a jerk.
There's a meme about this...
This one? Someone already posted the pile of shoes meme in this thread. Hilariously, I think they were seriously offering it up as evidence of the Lolocaust.
Oh bullshit, Americans didn't liberate a single 'death camp'. That's because there weren't any. Look it up. I've been studying this fantasy for 20 years. Were they starving, yes because the supply lines had been wiped out.
Seeing death and disease is not proof of a "holocaust"... but you can't tell people that.
YHGTBKM,
The Nuremberg trials provide the best irrefutable evidence of the Holocaust evil!
you mean where German officers were tortured and forced to sign "confessions" that they couldn't even read? Proof positive right there.
I hear that Mao only killed a couple dozen of his own people.
What about that Pol Pot guy? I think he was kind of a jerk.
There's a meme about this...
This one? Someone already posted the pile of shoes meme in this thread. Hilariously, I think they were seriously offering it up as evidence of the Lolocaust.
That’s not a meme.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender
Oh bullshit, Americans didn't liberate a single 'death camp'. That's because there weren't any. Look it up. I've been studying this fantasy for 20 years. Were they starving, yes because the supply lines had been wiped out.
Seeing death and disease is not proof of a "holocaust"... but you can't tell people that.
YHGTBKM,
The Nuremberg trials provide the best irrefutable evidence of the Holocaust evil!
He's not kidding. These guys really are that fuucking stupid and perverted. This thread, regardless of original topic, is a good reminder of the evil pervs in our midst.
"I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!" --- Kid Rock 2022
Oh bullshit, Americans didn't liberate a single 'death camp'. That's because there weren't any. Look it up. I've been studying this fantasy for 20 years. Were they starving, yes because the supply lines had been wiped out.
Seeing death and disease is not proof of a "holocaust"... but you can't tell people that.
YHGTBKM,
The Nuremberg trials provide the best irrefutable evidence of the Holocaust evil!
you mean where German officers were tortured and forced to sign "confessions" that they couldn't even read? Proof positive right there.
No, I don’t mean that. You know what we’re talking about—the best documented case of genocide ever. The Germans left meticulous, detailed records of their plans and atrocities from all levels of Nazi hierarchy. …thousands of German documents, not to mention photographs and eye-witness testimony…
“In literature, Rebbe, certain things are true though they didn’t happen, while others are not, even if they did.” - Elie Weasel, speaking of the authenticity of his recollections of his time at Auschwitz.
The Nuremberg trials provide the best irrefutable evidence of the Holocaust evil!
"The fact that the Nazi leaders are criminals has already been established [by their having been accused by this body]. The task of the Tribunal is only to determine the measure of guilt of each particular person and mete out the necessary punishment -- the sentences."
- Judge Iola T. Nikitchenko (vice-chairman of the Supreme Court of the USSR), announced at the opening of the Nuremberg Trial.
"The entire atmosphere here is unwholesome ... Lawyers, clerks, interpreters and researchers were employed who became Americans only in recent years, whose backgrounds were imbedded in Europe's hatreds and prejudices ... Most of the evidence in the trials was documentary, selected from the large tonnage of captured records. The selection was made by the prosecution. The defense had access only to those documents which the prosecution considered material to the case ... the trials were to have convinced the Germans of the guilt of their leaders. They convinced the Germans merely that their leaders lost the war to tough conquerors."
- Charles F. Wennerstrum, Iowa Supreme Court justice serving as presiding judge in the Nuremberg trial of German generals
"Jackson [Chief US prosecutor] is away conducting his high-grade lynching party in Nuremberg ... This is a little too sanctimonious a fraud to meet my old-fashioned ideas ... I wonder how some of those who preside at the trials would justify some of the acts of their own governments if they were placed in the status of the accused."
- US Supreme Court Chief Justice Harlan Fiske Stone
"The Nuremberg trials are so repugnant to the Anglo-Saxon principles of justice that we must forever be ashamed of that page in our history ... The Nuremberg farce represents a revenge policy at its worst."
- US Representative Lawrence H. Smith of Wisconsin
"As a representative of the American people I desire to say that what is taking place in Nuremberg, Germany, is a disgrace to the United States... A racial minority, two and a half years after the war closed, are in Nuremberg not only hanging German soldiers but trying German businessmen in the name of the United States."
- Congressman John Rankin of Mississippi
"The trial of the vanquished by the victors cannot be impartial no matter how it is hedged about with the forms of justice ... About this whole judgment there is the spirit of vengeance, and vengeance is seldom justice. The hanging of the eleven men convicted will be a blot on the American record which we will long regret. In these trials we have accepted the Russian idea of the purpose of trials -- government policy and not justice -- with little relation to Anglo-Saxon heritage. By clothing policy in the forms of legal procedure, we may discredit the whole idea of justice in Europe for years to come."
- US Senator Robert A. Taft
"The Nuremberg trial constitutes a real threat to the basic conceptions of justice which it has taken mankind thousands of years to establish."
- NYU Law Professor, Milton R. Konvitz
"I thought at the time and still think that the Nuremberg trials were unprincipled. Law was created ex post facto to suit the passion and clamor of the time."
- Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
"I thought the trials in general bordered upon international lunacy. I thought it particularly unfortunate, inappropriate, ill-conceived and dupably injudicious that the United States should have been cast in the leading role as prosecutors and implementators of the trials of German participants or principals."
- US Rear Admiral H. Lamont Pugh, former Navy Surgeon General and Commanding Officer of the National Naval Medical Center
“I am frankly opposed to this war criminal stuff. It is not cricket, and is Semitic."
Oh bullshit, Americans didn't liberate a single 'death camp'. That's because there weren't any. Look it up. I've been studying this fantasy for 20 years. Were they starving, yes because the supply lines had been wiped out.
Seeing death and disease is not proof of a "holocaust"... but you can't tell people that.
YHGTBKM,
The Nuremberg trials provide the best irrefutable evidence of the Holocaust evil!
He's not kidding. These guys really are that fuucking stupid and perverted. This thread, regardless of original topic, is a good reminder of the evil pervs in our midst.
It really is amazing.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.
The fact that Anti-Semitic neo Nazi BS artists are allowed to make 1000s of posts on this site tells me all I need to know about moderation here.
They should be kidnapped and taken to every Nazi death camp to see the evidence of what happened.
They probably also believe the moon landing was filmed in Hollywood, W blew up the WTC. all Vaxes have chips in them to trace you and Chemtrails are poisoning us all.
COMPLETE AZZHOLES !!!
Like these from 1943.
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Paranoia strikes deep Into your life it will creep It starts when you're always afraid Step out of line, the man come and take you away
Believe hard enough and anything can happen I guess
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
Oh bullshit, Americans didn't liberate a single 'death camp'. That's because there weren't any. Look it up. I've been studying this fantasy for 20 years. Were they starving, yes because the supply lines had been wiped out.
Seeing death and disease is not proof of a "holocaust"... but you can't tell people that.
YHGTBKM,
The Nuremberg trials provide the best irrefutable evidence of the Holocaust evil!
He's not kidding. These guys really are that fuucking stupid and perverted. This thread, regardless of original topic, is a good reminder of the evil pervs in our midst.
It really is amazing.
Thankful for the freedom we have here, but, a couple in particular seem to relish in it as if it's a significant part of their lives, it's who they are.... How many here would welcome such scum at their home, around their family, or welcome them to join together at a campfire? Chit.
"I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!" --- Kid Rock 2022
What i would like to know is how they came up with 6 mil, when the jewish population in all of europe was somthing like 3.5 mill to begin with, an if they were cremated how did they know how many is in what ash pile. And how working day and night could they cremate 6mill an how can so many survivors still be walking around, Somone mentioned the trials , they were about like our own congressional hearing from what i see, that chimney bothers me too, wasnt hooked up to anything an if i remember correctly wasnt even built an standing in the original pictures,why was this not in the history books till the 70’s or 80’s?
What i would like to know is how they came up with 6 mil, when the jewish population in all of europe was somthing like 3.5 mill to begin with, an if they were cremated how did they know how many is in what ash pile. And how working day and night could they cremate 6mill an how can so many survivors still be walking around, Somone mentioned the trials , they were about like our own congressional hearing from what i see, that chimney bothers me too, wasnt hooked up to anything an if i remember correctly wasnt even built an standing in the original pictures,why was this not in the history books till the 70’s or 80’s?
How dare you point out facts and ask questions!!!! You wacko conspiracy theorist!!!!
"Social order at the expense of Liberty is hardly a bargain” de Sade "He who'll not reason is a Bigot, he who cannot is a Fool, and he who dares not is a Slave."SirWilliamDrummond
What i would like to know is how they came up with 6 mil, when the jewish population in all of europe was somthing like 3.5 mill to begin with, an if they were cremated how did they know how many is in what ash pile. And how working day and night could they cremate 6mill an how can so many survivors still be walking around, Somone mentioned the trials , they were about like our own congressional hearing from what i see, that chimney bothers me too, wasnt hooked up to anything an if i remember correctly wasnt even built an standing in the original pictures,why was this not in the history books till the 70’s or 80’s?
How dare you point out facts and ask questions!!!! You wacko conspiracy theorist!!!!
Fools rush in.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.
Easy. Germans (being Germans) kept meticulous records (at it was actually in the neighborhood of 5.8M to include many other "untermenschen"). Years ago whilst in college I saw the official German records captured (the National Archives have a bunch) and no doubt in my mind they waxed that many.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Easy. Germans (being Germans) kept meticulous records (at it was actually in the neighborhood of 5.8M to include many other "untermenschen"). Years ago whilst in college I saw the official German records captured (the National Archives have a bunch) and no doubt in my mind they waxed that many.
Nuh uh. Those records were faked by the bolsheviks who infiltrated and cooked the books to make the Nazis look like baddies.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
After the fall of the Soviet Union, the true documents captured by them during the war were indeed released, and didn't in the least match the numbers claimed by them at Nuremberg, which is what the Mexican comedian was laughing at, i.e., the numbers had to be cut down significantly at each of the camps, yet any deviation from the six million figure will still land one in prison in several countries. I.e., as he jokingly observed, having basic math skills will land you in prison there.
After the fall of the Soviet Union, the true documents captured by them during the war were indeed released, and didn't in the least match the numbers claimed by them at Nuremberg, which is what the Mexican comedian was laughing at, i.e., the numbers had to be cut down significantly at each of the camps, yet any deviation from the six million figure will still land one in prison in several countries. I.e., as he jokingly observed, having basic math skills will land you in prison there.
How anybody can be so stupid to deny the Holocaust happened is beyond me.
Originally Posted by Stophel
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
Oh bullshit, Americans didn't liberate a single 'death camp'. That's because there weren't any. Look it up. I've been studying this fantasy for 20 years. Were they starving, yes because the supply lines had been wiped out.
Seeing death and disease is not proof of a "holocaust"... but you can't tell people that.
Odd how the "supply lines had been wiped out" didn't affect the Wehrmacht or cause them to starve.
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
you mean where German officers were tortured and forced to sign "confessions" that they couldn't even read? Proof positive right there.
I lived in Germany for awhile in 1965, 20 years after the war. I met many Germans in their 40s to 60s who had been in that war. I spoke good German. We discussed tha war. I rented a room from an old lady whose husband had been killed in that war. (I didn't ask on which front.) Without exception the Germans I met spoke highly of the treatment they received after being captured by the Americans.
Stophel, you are either a liar or totally ignorant.
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
The Mexican comedian in my last link, although in a humorous context, actually provided that information, or, at least he provided the new figures per camp (now claimed by the various museum authorities), adjusted after the release of information from the former Soviet Union in the early 1990s.
Personally, I'll go with the numbers released by the International Red Cross shortly after the war, as they had the fewest dogs in the fight one way or the other, and were merely attempting an accurate count, having themselves been present in the camps on a regular basis during their operation.
you mean where German officers were tortured and forced to sign "confessions" that they couldn't even read? Proof positive right there.
I lived in Germany for awhile in 1965, 20 years after the war. I met many Germans in their 40s to 60s who had been in that war. I spoke good German. We discussed tha war. I rented a room from an old lady whose husband had been killed in that war. (I didn't ask on which front.) Without exception the Germans I met spoke highly of the treatment they received after being captured by the Americans.
Stophel, you are either a liar or totally ignorant.
Eisenhower ordered the erection of gigantic barbed wire, open air, enclosures (constructed on farm land) wherein he ordered up to three million rank-and-file members of the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, and Kriegsmarine (who had surrendered to the advancing Americans) to be kept. They were denied food, water, and toilet facilities, and by the time of their release, hundreds of thousands of them had perished due to the conditions forced on them by order of the good general. He felt no compunction to treat them like POWs because, according to him, the war having already ended when they surrendered, they no longer fit that category, and lacked those protections in international law. I think his label for them was surrendered enemy combatants, instead of POWs, so as to skirt violation of the various international war conventions.
What i would like to know is how they came up with 6 mil, when the jewish population in all of europe was somthing like 3.5 mill to begin with, an if they were cremated how did they know how many is in what ash pile. And how working day and night could they cremate 6mill an how can so many survivors still be walking around, Somone mentioned the trials , they were about like our own congressional hearing from what i see, that chimney bothers me too, wasnt hooked up to anything an if i remember correctly wasnt even built an standing in the original pictures,why was this not in the history books till the 70’s or 80’s?
There were nearly ten million jews in Europe before WWII.
According to the World Almanac the world population of Jews increased between 1933 and 1948 from 15,315,000 to 15,753,000.
According to the official three-volume report by the International Committee of the Red Cross (1948, Geneva), 272,000 concentration camp inmates died while in German custody during the war, about half of whom were Jews.
PS Many thousands of liberated inmates died after liberation, from what most of the others died from prior to liberation, i.e., typhus, and that despite the best efforts of military medical corps, equipped with plenty of staff, medication, and medical equipment.
you mean where German officers were tortured and forced to sign "confessions" that they couldn't even read? Proof positive right there.
I lived in Germany for awhile in 1965, 20 years after the war. I met many Germans in their 40s to 60s who had been in that war. I spoke good German. We discussed tha war. I rented a room from an old lady whose husband had been killed in that war. (I didn't ask on which front.) Without exception the Germans I met spoke highly of the treatment they received after being captured by the Americans.
Stophel, you are either a liar or totally ignorant.
Eisenhower ordered the erection of gigantic barbed wire, open air, enclosures (constructed on farm land) wherein he ordered up to three million rank-and-file members of the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, and Kriegsmarine (who had surrendered to the advancing Americans) to be kept. They were denied food, water, and toilet facilities, and by the time of their release, hundreds of thousands of them had perished due to the conditions forced on them by order of the good general. He felt no compunction to treat them like POWs because, according to him, the war having already ended when they surrendered, they no longer fit that category, and lacked those protections in international law. I think his label for them was surrendered enemy combatants, instead of POWs, so as to skirt violation of the various international war conventions.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by Stophel
you mean where German officers were tortured and forced to sign "confessions" that they couldn't even read? Proof positive right there.
I lived in Germany for awhile in 1965, 20 years after the war. I met many Germans in their 40s to 60s who had been in that war. I spoke good German. We discussed tha war. I rented a room from an old lady whose husband had been killed in that war. (I didn't ask on which front.) Without exception the Germans I met spoke highly of the treatment they received after being captured by the Americans.
Stophel, you are either a liar or totally ignorant.
Eisenhower ordered the erection of gigantic barbed wire, open air, enclosures (constructed on farm land) wherein he ordered up to three million rank-and-file members of the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, and Kriegsmarine (who had surrendered to the advancing Americans) to be kept. They were denied food, water, and toilet facilities, and by the time of their release, hundreds of thousands of them had perished due to the conditions forced on them by order of the good general. He felt no compunction to treat them like POWs because, according to him, the war having already ended when they surrendered, they no longer fit that category, and lacked those protections in international law. I think his label for them was surrendered enemy combatants, instead of POWs, so as to skirt violation of the various international war conventions.
Odd that non of the Wehrmacht veterans I spoke with had any recollection of what you allege, Hawkeye. You're either a fool or a liar.
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
Odd that non of the Wehrmacht veterans I spoke with had any recollection of what you allege, Hawkeye. You're either a fool or a liar.
I'm afraid that what I said above is thoroughly documented in Other Losses, by James Bacque. The former Senior Historian for the US Army, Col. (Dr.) Ernest F. Fisher, Jr., wrote his forward, giving his research and conclusions his full corroboration. Great book. Get a copy and read it. It happened.
A LOT of people seem to think that if they didn't personally see it happen, or if they don't know anyone who personally saw it happen, then, by golly, it didn't happen. I see this type of "thinking" here and everywhere else all the time when someone says "well, I don't personally know anyone who voted for Hillary/Bonobo/Biden! There's no way that millions of people did!".... well, fraud aside, they did. In huge numbers. Just because you don't see it in your own little world don't mean it didn't happen. Many people are also perfectly happy sitting there with their eyes closed, their fingers in their ears, loudly repeating "LA LA LA! I'M NOT LISTENING". It's sad, but if that's how you want to live, fine.
A LOT of people seem to think that if they didn't personally see it happen, or if they don't know anyone who personally saw it happen, then, by golly, it didn't happen. I see this type of "thinking" here and everywhere else all the time when someone says "well, I don't personally know anyone who voted for Hillary/Bonobo/Biden! There's no way that millions of people did!".... well, fraud aside, they did. In huge numbers. Just because you don't see it in your own little world don't mean it didn't happen. Many people are also perfectly happy sitting there with their eyes closed, their fingers in their ears, loudly repeating "LA LA LA! I'M NOT LISTENING". It's sad, but if that's how you want to live, fine.
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