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I recently picked up a 1941 Model 71 Deluxe that came with 2 boxes of Hornady 200 grain jfp. Load development is putting a hurt on the first box. I ordered a Lee sizing die to convert Speer 180 grain .358 bullets. But load data is minimal. Can anyone help me out?
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You are going to have a tough time. Looking at load books back to 68 and that caliber had very limited data. The only powder listed still in production for that weight is 44.5 grains max BLc-2. For all 3 weights the powders were H450, 4831 and BLc-2.
Good luck.
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Hawk makes 6 different flat nose bullets for the 348 Win. https://hawkbullets.com/index.html Cartridge : .348 Win.
Bullet : .348, 180, Hawk FP
Useable Case Capaci: 67.958 grain H2O = 4.412 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.795 inch = 70.99 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 40610 psi, or 280 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 100 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
143 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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ReloadSwiss RS 60 *T 98.5 64.7 4.19 2854 96.3 40611 7930 1.275 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 *T 97.8 64.2 4.16 2844 95.3 40611 7760 1.277 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 97.8 64.2 4.16 2844 95.3 40611 7760 1.277 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 52 93.2 60.3 3.91 2821 97.3 40611 7277 1.288 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 *C*T 99.4 63.6 4.12 2806 93.0 40611 7445 1.294 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 91.7 53.7 3.48 2804 99.8 40611 6733 1.293 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder TS 15.5 *C *T 97.0 58.2 3.77 2796 97.8 40611 7024 1.297 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP 712 *C*T ~approximation 97.0 58.2 3.77 2796 97.8 40611 7024 1.297 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 *C 92.1 62.9 4.08 2793 93.3 40611 7288 1.288 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 94.9 61.4 3.98 2793 94.9 40611 7204 1.290 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 99.2 66.2 4.29 2787 90.1 40611 7412 1.289 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game 91.9 61.3 3.97 2786 94.8 40611 7127 1.291 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 84.5 57.0 3.69 2785 97.6 40611 6918 1.293 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon LVR 99.2 62.1 4.03 2784 92.1 40611 7229 1.289 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 94.8 60.0 3.89 2784 96.4 40611 7131 1.314 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 94.8 60.0 3.89 2784 96.4 40611 7131 1.314 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 96.8 64.2 4.16 2783 89.0 40611 7328 1.290 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 96.8 64.2 4.16 2783 89.0 40611 7328 1.290 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 87.1 59.6 3.86 2782 96.6 40611 7090 1.305 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 94.6 57.9 3.75 2781 99.2 40611 6920 1.340 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant AR-Comp *C *T 87.3 52.9 3.43 2781 100.0 40611 6188 1.294 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 TZ *C *T approximation 86.8 52.9 3.43 2780 100.0 40611 6189 1.294 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 90.8 56.9 3.69 2780 95.3 40611 7121 1.306 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 89.0 54.6 3.53 2777 100.0 40611 6683 1.346 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 96.9 60.0 3.89 2774 96.1 40611 7047 1.315 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle 89.5 57.7 3.74 2770 98.4 40611 6826 1.317 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 89.5 57.7 3.74 2770 98.4 40611 6826 1.317 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 87.4 57.7 3.74 2770 98.4 40611 6826 1.317 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B *C 92.1 57.7 3.74 2769 95.2 40611 7039 1.308 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 91.5 57.3 3.71 2764 94.5 40611 7021 1.308 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 91.5 57.3 3.71 2764 94.5 40611 7021 1.308 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 *C 91.5 57.3 3.71 2764 94.5 40611 7021 1.308 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 *C 100.0 66.7 4.32 2760 89.7 39059 7578 1.307
Somchem S355 95.9 58.8 3.81 2757 95.8 40611 6946 1.315 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 *C 99.0 63.3 4.10 2757 92.9 40611 6953 1.293 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RL16 TZ *C *T 100.0 61.0 3.95 2752 92.0 38400 7313 1.314
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T 100.0 61.0 3.95 2752 92.0 38400 7313 1.314
Hodgdon H4895 87.7 54.9 3.56 2752 95.9 40611 6869 1.311 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Wild Boar 86.6 58.0 3.76 2751 95.0 40611 6878 1.303 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 93.2 57.4 3.72 2746 94.8 40611 6772 1.291 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 93.3 59.7 3.87 2746 92.6 40611 6986 1.314 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 *C 91.0 57.6 3.73 2744 98.7 40611 6684 1.310 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 87.9 55.1 3.57 2743 95.2 40611 6838 1.312 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135 *C 97.4 55.3 3.58 2742 99.9 40611 6300 1.312 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 *C 88.6 54.6 3.54 2742 98.8 40611 6580 1.313 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62 100.0 65.6 4.25 2742 91.0 37047 7398 1.342
Somchem S321 83.9 56.6 3.67 2740 97.0 40611 6767 1.315 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 *C 85.3 55.7 3.61 2739 96.7 40611 6713 1.307 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 84.2 51.2 3.32 2739 99.4 40611 6392 1.301 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 88.7 57.4 3.72 2738 95.1 40611 6790 1.306 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Precision 92.3 56.2 3.64 2736 96.8 40611 6711 1.321 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062 92.3 56.2 3.64 2736 96.8 40611 6711 1.321 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 89.3 59.6 3.86 2732 92.5 40611 6839 1.305 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP *C 100.0 62.0 4.02 2732 91.8 37655 7181 1.333
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 100.0 62.0 4.02 2731 91.8 37620 7176 1.333
Vihtavuori N530 *C 84.4 53.2 3.45 2730 96.8 40611 6632 1.309 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341 87.7 59.1 3.83 2729 95.0 40611 6660 1.304 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data 92.4 59.8 3.87 2727 92.7 40611 6785 1.310 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 *C 90.6 55.7 3.61 2721 99.1 40611 6351 1.310 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 *C 89.1 54.6 3.54 2720 96.7 40611 6642 1.330 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5 83.1 55.8 3.62 2720 97.6 40611 6543 1.334 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 82.8 55.8 3.62 2720 97.6 40611 6543 1.334 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR 86.0 53.9 3.49 2718 96.6 40611 6532 1.310 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 40 82.2 52.5 3.40 2718 98.0 40611 6453 1.311 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 92.8 56.4 3.66 2717 94.1 40611 6652 1.303 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET *T 93.1 56.4 3.66 2717 94.1 40611 6652 1.303 ! Near Maximum !
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Hodgdon 2017 and Hornady app both have loads for it. Dirtyharry might still have these Barnes: https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/17673386/barnes-348-bulletsLooks like Varget and H4350 are good for both the 200 & 250. There’s also some FTX 200s out there floating around. I have a box of old Winchester 348 loaded rounds that I’d pull apart and sell you the brass, bullets and box if you want them.
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The only reason I am looking at the 180 grain is due to the Hornady 200 being discontinued. And I have a bunch of Speer 180 grain .358 bullets as well as a 35 cal mould. If not, Hawk makes a nice 200 JFP
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Also look up Fury Bullets in MI. They make a good bonded 220 gr bullet that has a a good weight for the Model 71 in 348 WCF. Hornady has stopped manuf. of their 200 gr FP 348 bullet. Look around the sites and advertise as WTB. They are out there.
I cannot recommend swaging 358 bullets down for the M 71.
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Start with known 200 grain loads and work up.
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I hope you have better luck sizing 358 bullets down than I had. I almost ruined a good sizing die and that was after I nearly broke my arm leaning on the press handle. Some people have better luck with different lubes. I tried Imperial sizing lube with no luck. I would cast 200gr lead bullets and not mess with the .358 bullets.
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Damn, if you have a widows machine and want to use predictive software go get Gordon’s reloading Tool, it’s free and functions just fine.
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