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Germany lost before we fired a shot in anger at them. Our most important contribution to the war in europe was spam and studebaker trucks. We didn't build T34s, we didn't build PPSH's and we sure as hell didn't provide the man power.

OK. You seem reluctant to post where you're from so I'll just assume you're from Pennsylvania and make this simple:

If America did not enter WWII Germany would have won.

Since America did enter WWII, Germany did not win.

Anybody that debates this is a fugking idiot.

America and Britain waited because they feared the German war machine. That's the truth. No Eastern Front and the Normandy landing would have been a massacre.

Germany's generals wanted to make a temporary retreat from Russia in advance of the onset of winter, hold till spring, and then renew their advance. Hitler wouldn't hear of it, and essentially ordered them to win or die in a winter war on Russian soil, which the German army was not equipped for. Once he made that decision, Germany was doomed.

America and Britain waited because they feared the German war machine. That's the truth. No Eastern Front and the Normandy landing would have been a massacre.

There had to be an Eastern Front, otherwise (The Germans knew) the Russians would have merely waited till the most opportune time to invade Europe with a massive tank force (25,000 strong prior to Russia's involvement in the war).

Do you have any fugking idea how idiotic that makes you look?

That is possible but no real evidence. Stalin was caught completely and totally off guard by barbarousa. Stalin hated Hitler and Germany for sure, but they were scared to death of the German war machine. In 1941 the wold was in complete awe of waht Germany had accompplioshed.

Hitler should not have invaded Greece either.

Uhhh, more like 1.9 million years..

It's sure easier to interact with narratives than it is to try to nail down any facts about history, even recent history.

Hoss, you have over 100000 posts of stupid one liners. Every body knows you have no substance. You are as transparent as air.

[quote=deflave][quote=Quak]WWII in europe was decided at the gates of Moscow in the Winter of 1940-41. It was all downhill from there. There was nothing the Gernans could have done once Barbarossa was crushed that could have saved them from their eventual defeat. They were not set up for attrition.

Personally i wish Hitler would have destroyed the soviet barbarian horde completely. Then the US could unleash the dogs of war and destroy the Germans in due time...and we could have.

The world has never seen a more efficient killing machine than the US. It would have been nice to have had communism dealt with in the 40s...instead we fight it still today and within our own country.

Imagine the combined strength of the US Navy and Army...we would rule the baltic...the black sea...you name it. We could have fielded 300 divisions if we wanted to. 6 divisions of combat hardened marines with the blood of the japs still dripping from their bayonets...marching t


Russia crushed the germans in front of Moscow, they crushed them in front of stalingrad, they crushed them at kursk, they crushed them in Bagration, and they crushed them in Berlin.

Where was mother green when all that was happening? [bleep] around in the desert and getting chewed up in france by conscripted cripples from the east

Germany's generals wanted to make a temporary retreat from Russia in advance of the onset of winter, hold till spring, and then renew their advance. Hitler wouldn't hear of it, and essentially ordered them to win or die in a winter war on Russian soil, which the German army was not equipped for. Once he made that decision, Germany was doomed.

If anyone can get an early edition of Mein Kampf that wasn't watered down in it’s translation it is an intriguing read to say the least.

The thing about russian skill is this...early on it was weak but they got better and better. The red army was a pretty proficient killing force by 44

My copy, which belonged to my late mother-in-law, was published by Houghton, Mifflin, in1941. I waded through it years ago. Mussolini was right. "What a brick!"

L.W.