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Sweet bejeebers, ever hear of the .308/7.62x51. Look into it. Several brands of dies. I hear there’s a little load data around. Bullets can be had if you know a guy. Some folks claim it’ll kill stuff. YMMV This ⬆️ After the ammo and components we have been dealing with, still dealing with, I wouldn’t take a rifle that is this capable, and this easy to feed, and set myself up for a headache Buy a 18”-20” barrel on the Wilson sale and put it together. I guarantee I can walk into any gun shop within 20 miles and come out with .308 ammo. Something that can’t be said about 90% of other calibers out there
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Ok, I just saw you are hunting black bear. And maybe deer. Michigan doesn’t have that big of anything out there, do they? I could be showing my ignorance, sorry. If it were me, I would sell that lower and buy a 15 lower and set yourself for 6.5 grendel. I have 3 of them and it is a very capable cartridge and easier to pack around. Deer and black bear aren’t that tough of critters so you should be good there.
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Ok, I just saw you are hunting black bear. And maybe deer. Michigan doesn’t have that big of anything out there, do they? I could be showing my ignorance, sorry. If it were me, I would sell that lower and buy a 15 lower and set yourself for 6.5 grendel. I have 3 of them and it is a very capable cartridge and easier to pack around. Deer and black bear aren’t that tough of critters so you should be good there. You are right, there is nothing that big her in Michigan. The average black bear is 250-300 lbs. The 6.5 grendel is a great caliber! I shot my deer with my 1st are build which is a 6.5 grendel. I also already have a .308 Ar-10 (my 2nd build) I just wanted to do something a little different this time and figured might as well build a cannon lol
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We do have 500lb plus black bears, here in Michigan. Had one put down About 4 miles from me 2 months ago. Was over 400, kept getting into bee hives. And a buddy took a 600 lb one 10 years or so, think it's still the biggest taken with a muzzleloader.
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We do have 500lb plus black bears, here in Michigan. Had one put down About 4 miles from me 2 months ago. Was over 400, kept getting into bee hives. And a buddy took a 600 lb one 10 years or so, think it's still the biggest taken with a muzzleloader. I know they can get up in the 500-600 lb range especially in the up over towards Wisconsin, but the average bear we see when we hunt are in the 250-300 lb range. I would love to come across one of those 500-600 pounders! Just haven't yet
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358 works well in short barrels and you can buy factory ammo and it knocks the snot out of deer.
If you want to load your own, .358 bullets are widely available in various appropriate weights. Starline brass is plentiful and excellent and can be loaded right out of the package.
I like an 18" barrel if I'm not running a suppressor. I'd go 1:12 twist.
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I have a 35 Whelen, big brother to the 358. 358 ammo would be easier to find than other calibers. You can also make 358 out of 308 brass. Another idea, clear my throat, is the 6.5 Creedmoor. 358 would hit harder, especially on larger game if you went out west or Alaska. If you already have a 308, I would say the 6.5 would be out.
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I am a new member, but long time reader. I have an extra AR-10 lower I want to build a hard hitting hunting AR-10. I have it narrowed down to either.338 RCM or .358 Winchester. What do you guys think? Depending on what State you are in anything smaller than .357 is unlawful for deer. I personally would go with the .358. I would also bet that some 7.62x51 military brass that has some extra metal at the neck and annealed nice and soft could be transformed into .358 brass. I see the price of .358 ammo is pretty expensive. kwg
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Until a man hits an animal with a medium or big bore bullet...
They simply will not understand the "Authority" that medium or big bore bullets impart.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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I'm definitely going to go with the .358 win. I think I'm going to have McGowan make me a 18" or 20" barrel for it.
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Who makes the better barrel, McGowan or x-caliber
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Sweet bejeebers, ever hear of the .308/7.62x51. Look into it. Several brands of dies. I hear there’s a little load data around. Bullets can be had if you know a guy. Some folks claim it’ll kill stuff. YMMV Here ,here honest to God entry level KISS PRINCIPLE. Ammo everywhere. Mb
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