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Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
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We are a Representative Republic.


A republic is representative by definition. We are a constitutional republic. Paul is correct
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1 Corinthians is a letter written to believers in Corinth. The believers in Corinth were floundering in sin, permitting all types of immorality …. Paul comments that there were “acting like mere men.” A sad bunch.

The letter is instructional in terms of doctrine, but it is also one of those biblical examples of a good old fashioned ass chewing.

So, for whatever benefit you may find……

1 Corinthians 6:9-11………picking up the scolding mid-stream…..

”Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolators nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

(Ok, so far so good, but please pay close attention to what Paul says next)

“And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”

See? Paul is writing to those who WERE immoral, idolators, adulterers, men who were having sex with men, thieves…. And so on.

But these immoral evil people… some of them, “saw the light” and became both forgiven and given new hearts.

Sin…. Bad sin…. Can be forgiven and a new life can start.


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Is that some papist bullshît?


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Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
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Is that some papist bullshît?
not sure if that's Baptist stuff or not but it looks kind of like what goes on in the world today

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by SargeMO
We are a Representative Republic.


A republic is representative by definition. We are a constitutional republic. Paul is correct
True.

Semantics.

While the Constitution protects the rights of all within our borders it has, in its amendments, acts and supreme court rulings, consistently limited the authority to elect representatives to citizens of the Republic.

Until such time those limits are completely eroded, I and others will continue to refer to it as a representative republic. We can politely disagree on this.

What we cannot disagree on is the need to save our republic from becoming the banana variant.


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I think this fits.


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Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
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Is that some papist bullshît?

IDFK .... just a meme off the internet that is spot on


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I haven’t seen anyone dancing in the streets . I have seen quite a few standing their ground saying enough is enough of normalizing LGBTQ. We don’t want our kids or family taught a single thing from LGBTQ . You virtue signalers are a problem for white , straight men and just go along with whatever you get spoon fed . Sack the fugk up.

Bullsh*t. You can't dance in the streets on the internet, but plenty of people have said this was a good thing, or "they had it coming."

Ain't no virtue signaling going on here, that's just a convenient red herring people like you like to use. I don't want my family taught anything related to LGBTQ, especially in a publicly-sanctioned setting.

And if I don't want to see it in this case, all I had to do was not go to this club. There wasn't anybody there who didn't make a choice to be there.

It's almost as if our members have forgotten that we are a constitutional republic rather than one governed by Sharia law and morals.


Your ignorance is appalling. The ethic that condemns homosexuality ("the laws of nature" [unassisted human reason]) also condemns Sharia Law. It wouldn't matter if every religion in the world approved of homosexuality, it would still be wrong because it's against nature.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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I'd bet my life that our virtuous men of God here are without drunkedness, lust, gluttony, covetousness, envy and sloth. Certain their bodies all look like temples. LOLOLOLOL. Way to represent men!
Christians aren't saying that they are without sin. That's not the issue here. The issue is promoting the view that sin isn't sin, and not only that, but that sin is virtuous. Jesus forgives sin, but he forgives the sin of those who recognize an action as sinful and repent of it. He doesn't forgive sin that is promoted by the sinner as a virtue. That's compounding sin upon sin.
That's pretty much how I have always been taught in the fire & brimstone preaching Southern Baptist Churches and the pentecostal Church of God.
In other to be forgiven your sin you much repent and work towards not ever commiting that same sin.

Not, this new aged thinking where I have heard a church goer state (when they were about to get wasted or whatnot) I've heard, it ok I will just ask for forgiveness in the morning!
The way I was raised is if you know it a sin before you commit it and fully intend to commit it anyway, on the pretext of knowing you will be forgiven so why not have fun; then those types of sun are not automatically forgiven.
And the more you commit those same sins, the more penance you must do to be forgiven BUT you cannot go back to doing it everytime you want!
That's why they call it being a devout Christian!
Ok. Let's not look at homosexuality from the religious point of view but instead from the Nature side of the argument:
There is a reason that there are 2 sexes. Care to take a guess? Bingo, to go forth and populate the species. BOTTOM LINE! If you are engaging in any unnatural act then you are against the natural order of the universe and there by nature is against you. A male and female was made to mate and have offspring to further the chance of survival of their species! If you are not a productive member of your specie's existence YOU ARE PERVERED, SICK. DISTORTED, UNNATURAL!

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Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
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Jeez, no wonder the guy was messed up, a porn actor meth head as a father. His mother actually told his father he killed himself, how messed up is that?

I also read that the video of him barricaded in the house was provided by the woman who owned the house that his mother rented a room in.

So the parents were not model citizens. Doesn't excuse what he did, but explains how he got so messed up.

Like every other kid raised by deviants.

Yep.


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Originally Posted by MPat70
BOTTOM LINE! If you are engaging in any unnatural act then you are against the natural order of the universe and there by nature is against you. A male and female was made to mate and have offspring to further the chance of survival of their species! If you are not a productive member of your specie's existence YOU ARE PERVERED, SICK. DISTORTED, UNNATURAL!

What part of this extends to hetero, "unnatural" acts , that involve intimacy, but arent involved in procreation?

Are those sicko's gonna burn?


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Originally Posted by MPat70
BOTTOM LINE! If you are engaging in any unnatural act then you are against the natural order of the universe and there by nature is against you. A male and female was made to mate and have offspring to further the chance of survival of their species! If you are not a productive member of your specie's existence YOU ARE PERVERED, SICK. DISTORTED, UNNATURAL!

So having sex with your wife after menopause makes you "PERVERED, SICK. DISTORTED, UNNATURAL". So after menopause, do we trade our wives in for newer models, or become monks?

What about you old farts that need little blue pills to get it up, those pills are "unnatural", so does that make them sick and perverted?

What if your wife gives you a BJ. Since that's an unproductive hole, does that make it "PERVERED, SICK. DISTORTED, UNNATURAL"?


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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BOTTOM LINE! If you are engaging in any unnatural act then you are against the natural order of the universe and there by nature is against you. A male and female was made to mate and have offspring to further the chance of survival of their species! If you are not a productive member of your specie's existence YOU ARE PERVERED, SICK. DISTORTED, UNNATURAL!

So having sex with your wife after menopause makes you "PERVERED, SICK. DISTORTED, UNNATURAL". So after menopause, do we trade our wives in for newer models, or become monks?

What about you old farts that need little blue pills to get it up, those pills are "unnatural", so does that make them sick and perverted?

What if your wife gives you a BJ. Since that's an unproductive hole, does that make it "PERVERED, SICK. DISTORTED, UNNATURAL"?


Smh...

You and your logic! No place for that here.

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Originally Posted by Jcubed
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So having sex with your wife after menopause makes you "PERVERED, SICK.


Smh...

You and your logic! No place for that here.
Abraham had sex with Sarah long after she was past the child bearing age. So there's always room for a miracle.

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All types of people are needlessly murdered by all sorts of humans under all sorts of circumstances. There is nothng particularly special about this event except that some attempt to use the event, in and of itself, to conjure some sort of social, or religious or pesonal example and extend it to the larger human scene. Such acts have taken place throughout recorded history (as well as in unrecorded and fictional history).

Those who attempt to apply a terrible event such as this to the conditions/behaviors/views of specific humans/groups/laws/scriptures, etc. usually are attemting a long/thin stretch. No matter the motivation for such an attempt, it shows itself as weak.

Indeed, there do seem to exist some "natural" human conditions and laws worth reflection in such seemingly unnatural cases.

With regard to those who try to apply certain "religous", or "scriptual" or general denomination doctrines to such an horrible event and extrapolate a conclusive view from there, the quest often resembles rather gross gamesmanship.

In contrast to all of the wading through and slicing/dicing the many "laws and rules", with regard to Christanity it might be good to reflect on the fundament that the relationship between the person and God - and the concomitant expectations - is a very singlar and personal relationship.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
So having sex with your wife after menopause makes you "PERVERED, SICK.


Smh...

You and your logic! No place for that here.
Abraham had sex with Sarah long after she was past the child bearing age. So there's always room for a miracle.

Blasphemy!

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There was a recent thread on this board about the decline of Christianity in America. The majority of churches in this country are plateaued or dying, while the numbers of un-churched and de-churched people are growing by leaps and bounds.

Do those who comprise the body of Christian believers (the Church)…individually and collectively…bear any responsibility for this…?

Or is it all the fault of un-churched and de-churched people themselves, and our culture…?


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Originally Posted by antlers
There was a recent thread on this board about the decline of Christianity in America. The majority of churches in this country are plateaued or dying, while the numbers of un-churched and de-chiurched people are growing by leaps and bounds.

Do those who comprise the body of Christian believers (the Church)…individually and collectively…bear any responsibility for this…?

Or is it all the fault of un-churched and de-churched people themselves, and our culture…?


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