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Originally Posted by buttstock
Finn Aagaard wrote an article for American Rifleman in the 1980s(?) that compared the performance of the 35 Whelen vs 338-06 vs the 30-06 (loaded with a 200 grain jacketed bullet).

Result?

The 30-06 loaded with a 200 grain jacketed bullet was as good as any of them, if not better. Can't remember if it was a Nosler Partition or Speer. My memory is ?like a steel trap, "old and rusty."

Findings were based on muzzle energy at various distances, trajactory, bullet ecpansion and penetration. I THINK there was some "real life" game performance in the article too. Typical high quality Finn Aagaard pragmatic reporting.

Bottom line? You may want to include the 30-06 loaded with a 200 grain jacketed bullet in your cartridge selection.

And my 270 will do anything the 06 will do, and the creedmoor will anything the 270 etc, etc, etc. laugh

OP was about 338, 35, and 9.3. lol


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Have owned both 338-06 and 35 Whelen. You specifically ruled out big bears and confined your use within NA.

THEREFORE, forget both of those and get a 30/06.

For African use the 9.3-62 is by far the best choice as well as for use on “big bears” but you ruled both of those out.



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You can’t go wrong with either one of the 3 cartridges. I have one of each. The problem is deciding on which one to use that day.

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Originally Posted by szihn
9.3X62 (and 9.3X74R and to a large extent the 9.3X57 also) The 9.3s all seem to have few week spots. If there was one thing I dislike about the 9.3MM is that in the lighter range of bullet weights they are very hard to find and as with all larger bore sizes, fairly expensive. One bullet that was the exception to the cost was the PPU 285 grain which seems to work extremely well to kill game, was easy to get (maybe not anymore) and in my four 9.3s they were accurate. Not the most accurate 9.3 bullet but shooting very close to MOA and in 1 gun a bit less then MOA, that's good enough to kill game with.

Since the PPU container docked both 285 gr. bullets and ammo have been available from just about anywhere. I've a pile of both via Graf's.


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Originally Posted by buttstock
Finn Aagaard wrote an article for American Rifleman in the 1980s(?) that compared the performance of the 35 Whelen vs 338-06 vs the 30-06 (loaded with a 200 grain jacketed bullet).

Result?

The 30-06 loaded with a 200 grain jacketed bullet was as good as any of them, if not better. Can't remember if it was a Nosler Partition or Speer. My memory is ?like a steel trap, "old and rusty."

Findings were based on muzzle energy at various distances, trajactory, bullet ecpansion and penetration. I THINK there was some "real life" game performance in the article too. Typical high quality Finn Aagaard pragmatic reporting.

Bottom line? You may want to include the 30-06 loaded with a 200 grain jacketed bullet in your cartridge selection.

I also have an article by Finn talking about the .338-06. He liked it enough to rebarrel his .30-06 to it as a better back up rifle. IIRC.

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Finn Aagard was a great gun and hunting author one of his favorite quotes when he heard bullsch*t was "how do you know that to be true"?. So quoting Finn today is OK as long as you use the same bullets and vintage as he did but 35 caliber bullets have improved in quality and performance immensely since he wrote that.. so one needs to.put it in to perspective..mb


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.338 bullets haven't gone backwards.

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I always liked the 338-06 although I bet you couldn’t tell the difference

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Originally Posted by RinB
Have owned both 338-06 and 35 Whelen. You specifically ruled out big bears and confined your use within NA.

THEREFORE, forget both of those and get a 30/06.

For African use the 9.3-62 is by far the best choice as well as for use on “big bears” but you ruled both of those out.

Well, that is boring... uber practical, but boring.
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223, 30-06, & 375 H&H check all the boxes that need to be checked. But I am more of a 22-250, 270, 338-06, 416 Remington type of guy.


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Bullet selection and obviously shot placement is normally more important than caliber and the 9.3x62 shooting a 286gr Nosler Partition will kill pretty much anything on the planet cleanly except Rhino and Elephant. I've killed a lot of African game with this combination up to any including Cape Buff. I would not hesitate at all to take on a big bear with this combination. If I could only own one over .30cal caliber it would be a 9.3x62!!!

The 9.3x62 has historically been the .30-30 of Africa and used extensively by farmers to feed themselves and their staff.

I've got a couple of Whelen's too, but I can't remember hunting with them much. Never shot a .338-06

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I’d probably go with my Whelen, but I’ve got room for the other two as well. All three are the same for my use and ballistically seem close enough to not matter much.


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I subscribe to the backpacker’s view that I don’t want to go through life lugging a pile of stuff that I will never use.

For me, the primary question is “does this thing own me or do I own it”. I am not interested in being owned by objects I don’t use. It only slows me down.

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RinB,

I agree 100%, if I am not using something, it goes down the road. None of my stuff owns me.


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out of those three ..

the correct answer is ....... 340 Weatherby !


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RinB,

I agree 100%, if I am not using something, it goes down the road. None of my stuff owns me.

+1!

I'm guilty of impulse buying a rifle that trips my trigger, but eventually reality sets and it goes down the road. When hunting season comes around its either my Montana 7mm-08 or faux KS mountain rifle .338-06 that gets the nod.

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I also own all three and love them all. But I hunt Africa about every year, so if forced to choose only one, it would be the 9.3x62, as it is legal on DG where I hunt the most, Zambia. Last Nov. I took (2) Hippo, Kudu, Hyena & Warthog with my Ruger African 9.3x62. I was hunting Buffalo with it also but never got one.

My favorite two-rifle battery for Africa is my 404 Jeffery & 9.3x62. YMMV.

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Originally Posted by Gaschekt
For plinkers and tinkerers the Whelen has 1 up on the others for being useful with mousefart loads and pistol bullets. Or pistol bullets at high speeds for varmints, or anything else imaginable. Mine is very accurate with cast bullets and it's a hoot to show up with it at the pistol club. Several threads on here have discussed these capabilities to the finest details by better scribes than me.

Before the bullet manufacturers forgot about somewhat obscure calibers I bought the Hornady 95gr Makarov bullets and loaded my various 9.3s with Trail Boss and the little jacketed pills. They were great in my older 9.3X72R guns and a lot of fun in the 9.3X74R and 9.3X62.

If you have a 9.3 and run across the Makarov bullets grab some. wink

Edit:

Graf has them, and I ordered some just now, the 95gr PRVI. They're virtually identical to the Hornadys I've been using.

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Originally Posted by luv2safari
Originally Posted by Gaschekt
For plinkers and tinkerers the Whelen has 1 up on the others for being useful with mousefart loads and pistol bullets. Or pistol bullets at high speeds for varmints, or anything else imaginable. Mine is very accurate with cast bullets and it's a hoot to show up with it at the pistol club. Several threads on here have discussed these capabilities to the finest details by better scribes than me.

Before the bullet manufacturers forgot about somewhat obscure calibers I bought the Hornady 95gr Makarov bullets and loaded my various 9.3s with Trail Boss and the little jacketed pills. They were great in my older 9.3X72R guns and a lot of fun in the 9.3X74R and 9.3X62.

If you have a 9.3 and run across the Makarov bullets grab some. wink

Edit:

Graf has them, and I ordered some just now, the 95gr PRVI. They're virtually identical to the Hornadys I've been using.
Now this is something I haven't considered. Guess that Makarov is finally useful after all. If I come by some Makarov bullets I know what I can do with them

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I have all three and could be happy with any of them. Lately have been shooting the 9.3 more and it impresses me every time I shoot it. Agree that anything built on an 06 case is a winner in my book.

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Originally Posted by justin10mm
Out of these three which is the best non-magnum medium bore if you had to pick one to use on all of the larger North American game, short of the big bears?

I recently went through the same decision process. Though, I also considered the possibility of bear. My decision was also based on 225 yds as pretty much maximum shot distance. And a re-bore of an existing shorter heavier weight barrel in 30-06. I eventually decided on the 35 Whelen. I have the brass, bullets, powder, and dies. I am still waiting on bedding of my donor rifle. Once I have it in hand, it will be going for the re-bore.

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