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Nerves of steel award goes to the dude sitting by the juke box. He was directly behind the bad guy when lead starts flying and he never flinched.


Wonder how the food is there. ?

I heard it's to die for. Killer grub.

Haha

Chick I know who lives in Houston said she and her family eat there on occasion and the food is decent.

If I ever get to Houston I'll drop in for the "coup de grace" special.

Hopeful the Mexican Mafia will fix the DA

Heat of the moment. All happened so fast, and he was wired.

Also a basically untrained civilian.

Who could indict?

Correct. Therein lies the rub. HOW it's presented to the jury is the way that politicians corrupt the system.

"End of the ordeal" was some time after the last shot.

You really think that fellow was able to switch off, just like that?

Maybe after your 5th such shooting. Maybe.

That's my take as well. Who could say how any of us would act? It's easy to second guess at home in front of the computer. IIRC, no defense is present at the grand jury, so the right group might still indict.

That would be the argument, but the prosecutor would need to make that argument, since a grand jury is a non-adversarial system, i.e., the defense doesn't get to argue its position to its members. Only the prosecutor does. That's why prosecutors say they can indict a ham sandwich. If that argument is going to be made, it would have to be made by a defendant-sympathetic prosecutor.

Bullschitt, this is not the same as the Claude Dallas vs Pogue thing, where Dallas walked away from the scene and returned with a rifle to deliver the kill shots to their brains.

This was one continuous action/reaction.

Over kill is no more a crime than is the kill. Justified is justified.

The poor guy was just getting his life together. Went in for a taco, and well ..........


The shooter looks to be a whitey, the poor guy trying to get his life in order looks to be a fellow of color. Trouble...

Pretty easy to arm chair quarter back.

The shooter is lucky he is in Texas. Had he shot a robber in the back in many states, he would be looking at life without.

Had rigor mortis set in? No.

Was there dependent lividity? No.

Was there decomposition? No.

Was the perp sans head? As in decapitated? No.



No?! Then you keep shooting! Go to the pickup for more ammo if you have to.


You have to be sure.....

I'm with you. I merely stated that a grand jury might have difficulty with it, especially if primed in that direction by a liberal prosecutor who will have uncontradicted access to them prior to their ruling.

If ya evah' in Houston... Boy ya betta' Do Rite... Ya betta' Not Gamble... Stealin' Taco's wid ya Life... Let the Midnight Special... Shine it's lite on you... Let the Midnight Special... Shine it's Evah Lovin' Lite on You!...

Unfortunately this happened in Harris County. It will go to Grand Jury and then to trial.

If in Montgomery County, it wouldn't go to trial.

Yeah right. Make sure he lives to kill again.

Agree 100%. Many in that situation will never be so lucky as to have a dumb azzed perp turn his back for so long. Or to be able to get "the drop" on a perp. That was 100% solid shoot at that point.

Nothing about self defense requires a defense response to be "fair". It doesn't have to be a duel. You don't have to give them the chance to give up. You don't have to warn them. In this instance, the distance to the person is close contact. There is no time for commands, taking cover, etc., especially with other people in there who would be unable to do so. The perp is actively waving around what anyone in that place would perceive as a firearm and in the commission of an armed felony. Anyone in that situation should be so lucky as to have a perp such as this turn his back for as long as he did. It did not appear to me he was turning to leave, and I don't believe that could be reasonably argued.

Nothing says you can't shoot someone in the back who is actively engaging in a dangerous felony threatening death or great bodily harm to yourself or others.

What may get this defender in hot water are the finishing shots. The 4 shots after he was down could be argued the defender did not see him lose his gun, and he was still moving, trying to re-engage, and presenting a threat. That final shot to the head / upper torso after the defender picked up said gun is going to be extremely hard to defend. No matter if he was dead at that point or not, or had wounds which were not survivable, you can bet your next paycheck that at a minimum, the perps family's lawyers will be retaining an "expert" who will testify during the civil suit that had that last shot not been made, he could have survived. And had he survived, he was a good boy in the process of turning his life around, and had his hopes and dreams taken from him by a racist vigilante with a gun.

As a final note, how fuggin' stupid does someone have to be to walk into any place in a constitutional carry state, a place full of people (I counted 8), and commit that robbery. In places like TX, AZ, etc., with that many people in there, odds are good someone is carrying. Sure, in CA, IL, MA, etc., the odds of a "good guy with a gun" would be considerably lower. But in TX? Jeezus what a moron.