What's you guys' thoughts on Cooper being bought out by and moving operations to Nighthawk Customs in Arkansas??
Almost purchased a Cooper here on the fire a few weeks ago and started looking into ordering a rifle from them and now this. Operations closed until further notice.
What's you guys' thoughts on Cooper being bought out by and moving operations to Nighthawk Customs in Arkansas??
Almost purchased a Cooper here on the fire a few weeks ago and started looking into ordering a rifle from them and now this. Operations closed until further notice.
What says the fire??
At a certain point, who cares.
There are enough model 16's, 21's, 22's, 38's 57m's, 52's, 54''s , M56's, etc, that a fellow could not buy them all should he win the lottery, and I'm behind the curve.
Here is an example of which I'm trying to restrain myself as I've bought a half dozen in the last couple months.
Figuring in the scope and dies, you're in this rifle for a max of $1,550.
If ya take your wife and kids to dinner you're gonna spend a Benjamin. That will last a couple hours. This rifle can be enjoyed until it's time to let it follow someone else home and most likely you can make a profit.
Hard to lose by making a profit!
If you lose a Benjamin or two, that 's cheap entertainment should you keep it for a couple years.
I have had two Cooper model 52 Excaliburs, one 30-06 and a 25-06, and they both shot very well and were very reliable. I only shot factory loads in them and they put all I tried into less than 1" 5-shot groups, and with the ammo they liked would be closer to 3/4" 5-shots groups. I also had a Jackson Squirrel Rifle in 22lr that had beautiful wood on it and put many different rimfire brands into little small 10 shot groups at 50 yards.
My very lucky 19 year old grandson now has all three rifles.
I have had two Cooper model 52 Excaliburs, one 30-06 and a 25-06, and they both shot very well and were very reliable. I only shot factory loads in them and they put all I tried into less than 1" 5-shot groups, and with the ammo they liked would be closer to 3/4" 5-shots groups. I also had a Jackson Squirrel Rifle in 22lr that had beautiful wood on it and put many different rimfire brands into little small 10 shot groups at 50 yards.
My very lucky 19 year old grandson now has all three rifles.
Friend of mine was fond of Coopers. Went to the range with him one day and he put one on the bags at the 200 yard butt. .308 it was. 5 shots from a cold, clean barrel = one ragged hole.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
I am with geedubya on his outlook. IMO now is the time to buy a Cooper, with a little diligent shopping it is possible to find them at very reasonable prices.
I am reminded of the Kimber of Oregon situation where that after they shut down Kimbers could be had for a song, those same rifles today bring much more than they were bought for, I forsee the same with the Cooper of Montana rifles.
drover
223 Rem, my favorite cartridge - you can't argue with truckloads of dead PD's and gophers.
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I am with geedubya on his outlook. IMO now is the time to buy a Cooper, with a little diligent shopping it is possible to find them at very reasonable prices.
Absolutely! Because of the economy, Cooper rifles are selling at a big discount right now.
What's you guys' thoughts on Cooper being bought out by and moving operations to Nighthawk Customs in Arkansas??
My thoughts are that if they don't try to change it into something else, no big deal. However, if they have stars in their eyes such that their thoughts are: "We can change this, that and the other thing for cost savings while maximizing our profits by charging the same as has been charged in the past", then I'm concerned. We'll have to wait and see I guess.
_________________________________________________________________________ “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
I have three varmint rifles and a Western Classic 22LR. All are excellent shooters. I also have several custom rifles that shoot much better than I do. At the end of the day a custom rifle might not bring the return that the Cooper might in a resale situation but you have exactly what you want. Look on Guns International there not being given away. I have my eye on two and both are over $4500 that's not a fire sale price.
Friend of mine was fond of Coopers. Went to the range with him one day and he put one on the bags at the 200 yard butt. .308 it was. 5 shots from a cold, clean barrel = one ragged hole.
I'm still thinking about buying a Cooper that is on my radar. Great deal too. I realize they shoot well, but much the same can be said about Tikka. But you can buy 3 Tikka rifles for the price of a Cooper. That is why I'm on the fence..
That is 5 shots from my buddies tikka we took out a month ago. ^^^^ He's in the local SWAT and he wanted me to shoot his rifle to see what it could do. I told him to never sell the damn thing...
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
I am with geedubya on his outlook. IMO now is the time to buy a Cooper, with a little diligent shopping it is possible to find them at very reasonable prices.
Absolutely! Because of the economy, Cooper rifles are selling at a big discount right now.
You guys are spot on.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
I realize they shoot well, but much the same can be said about Tikka. But you can buy 3 Tikka rifles for the price of a Cooper. That is why I'm on the fence..
I have trouble walking when carrying 3 rifles . . . I stumble around. They snag stuff. I drop them.
So since I can only manage one, I sure like having a Cooper in my hands.
Added: In reality, by the time you factor in good glass and mounts for one rifle versus multiple rifles, It's closer to 2 Tikkas per Cooper.
Last edited by WhelenAway; 01/12/23. Reason: Added info
Friend of mine was fond of Coopers. Went to the range with him one day and he put one on the bags at the 200 yard butt. .308 it was. 5 shots from a cold, clean barrel = one ragged hole.
I'm still thinking about buying a Cooper that is on my radar. Great deal too. I realize they shoot well, but much the same can be said about Tikka. But you can buy 3 Tikka rifles for the price of a Cooper. That is why I'm on the fence..
That is 5 shots from my buddies tikka we took out a month ago. ^^^^ He's in the local SWAT and he wanted me to shoot his rifle to see what it could do. I told him to never sell the damn thing...
No doubt the Tikkas shoot lights out. But the two Coopers I've encountered in person had some of the nicest walnut I've ever seen and the overall quality was in another league from any of the entry/mid-level plastic guns. (That said, I know not everyone here is into walnut/blued, so that factor may not matter to you.)
I have 7 right now and have had 8 others . All of them shot as well as the factory target. A couple of them I wish I still had. I had a 260 with a synthetic stock. It just didn't feel right not to have a nice piece of walnut on a Cooper
I've also shot the barrels out of three and had them put new tubes on them. Cheaper than my rifle smith and the accuracy guaranty was the same as a new rifle. I bet the new company won't do that. It was fun to go to the factory and talk with the people. Picke out my own wood on 2. Laura even upgraded me from AA+ to triple A when I was there one day. That was a fun time going thru blanks of the AAA. She didn't like the selection of AA+ that they had.
Cooper restocked a Varmint Extreme in 223 for me at no charge and they upgraded the wood. I have recently bought to Custom Classics a 22 Mag and 17 HMR. The wood on both is very nice and the little bug hole groups make me smile but the Squirrels hate them.
Shortmag, if you want a Cooper, get one. Life moves and we can't know what the future will hold. Trying to determine what Cooper will be like after the move to AR is a fools errand. There are several guys on this thread whom I have respect for who are giving you good advice. When I find a LH that matches what I'm looking for, I'm buying it.
They are very tender,rather fickle and fairly sloppy...none of which is my cup of tea,because I actually fhuqking shoot. Hint................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Notice how your "critique",makes less than zero fhuqks? Pardon my knowing the way around a rifle,as you flounder in your Dumbfhuqktitude. Hint.
Bless your heart.
Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.........
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Nighthawk is a quality company. Friend’s grandson fits 1911’s for them in AR.
Don’t know about their new Cooper price point, but I would think quality would be maintained.
Time will tell. I’m optimistic.
DF
The company my uncle works for in AR does heat treatment for Sig, Wilson Combat, Nighthawk and several other small gun companies in Arkansas I had never heard of. Maybe them purchasing Cooper will increase their workload, as he said work they do for Nighthawk is very small compared to Sig and Wilson Combat.
Friend of mine was fond of Coopers. Went to the range with him one day and he put one on the bags at the 200 yard butt. .308 it was. 5 shots from a cold, clean barrel = one ragged hole.
You Barbed Wire Boobs are fhuqking HILARIOUS! Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I'd not begin to slight how very WELL founded,your copious Insecurities are. Hint.
Pardon mount/rings and optics mattering more than a smidge,as you gals rent fences to hop,for your "harrowing" "Adventures". If you were spun in a circle inside a phone booth,you'd have to dial 911,for directions on where to find the door to exit. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I own an Excalibur 52 in 30-06, it shoots very good. What I don't like about it is it's heavy, stock is thick, the magazine rattles and the safety sucks. Have you seen the prices of Coopers on GunBroker? For the money I would have Alamo Precision build you a Maverick rifle for $3200, my 300 Weatherby shoots lights out!
I specialize in Throwin' and Hittin',as you Golf Cart Queens "stalk" Feeders and practice your Spanish. Pardon real rifles and real glass,being the default. Hint.
Then you CLUELESS Fhuqktards act "surprised!",when 6 Mexicans riding Donkeys and eating Burritos,made you quit and learn their language. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
It's your Imagination,simply Pretend with it as you must and your High Pitched Nasal Whine in Spanish,sure is fhuqking soothing...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Don't "forget",that Imitation is the most Sincere form of Flattery,as you conjure your next Delusion and extoll your very WELL founded Insecurities. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
If you are looking for accuracy and quality, you might want to hold off till late summer or early fall. Wilson Combat will have their new NULA rifles on the market at very reasonable prices. I plan to purchase one for the wife, main problem is deciding what caliber to get.
I'll be curious to see,how much they get right and hopefully they knock it out of The Park. Hint................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Were they not,I'd simply give it the Annie 54 1717D HB Treatment and MUCHLY improve balance/handling,while helping to seal things up. Hint.
But there's nothing redeeming in the receiver,fire control system,headspace or 'pin fitment. Hint.
They are very tender,rather fickle and fairly sloppy...none of which is my cup of tea,because I actually fhuqking shoot. Hint................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
If you are looking for accuracy and quality, you might want to hold off till late summer or early fall. Wilson Combat will have their new NULA rifles on the market at very reasonable prices. I plan to purchase one for the wife, main problem is deciding what caliber to get.
I went on their web site and didn’t see anything. Is there a link what you speaking?
All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
If you are looking for accuracy and quality, you might want to hold off till late summer or early fall. Wilson Combat will have their new NULA rifles on the market at very reasonable prices. I plan to purchase one for the wife, main problem is deciding what caliber to get.
I went on their web site and didn’t see anything. Is there a link what you speaking?
I was wondering if Nighthawk buying Cooper was a “me too” reaction after Wilson bought NULA. Seems they are pretty competitive there in Berryville.
It is far from "surprising",that besides being a CLUELESS Drooling Fhuqk,that you just also "happen" to be a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Said rifles aren't mechanically viable,to be taken seriously,but this is a BIG Day for you,because now you can say you've "seen" one. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Your Spanish is soothing...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
It is far from "surprising",that besides being a CLUELESS Drooling Fhuqk,that you just also "happen" to be a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit. Hint.
Yet another "slow" day here and not "much" shakin' in the Mail. The box appears to be made by Cooper. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Stick, You're good at taking pictures of shooting stuff but no pictures of what you do with it, you shoot it all with you Mouth maybe you should try spitting at least you could hit your shoes. --Maybe If there's no wind. Rio7
My skillset is without equal and I'm VERY "surprised" that your very WELL founded Insecurities are predicated upon same...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Weren't my intent to horn you up,but how many times a day do you think about me,what are the "typical" duration(s) of same and what am I wearing? Hint.
You Spanish Crying Kchunts are fhuqking HILARIOUS. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
NOTHING is fhuqking funnier,than a fhuqking Whining Texan...trying to talk rifles. Hint.
Now don't "forget",that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery. HINT.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
hey rio7 you need to throw some of your kills, toss em in creek then toss bloody mary in then he'll get all wooded up! just kidding!! I like your treasure's and your writing keep up the good work!
It is a curious constant,that the only things most can muster first hand,are their Homoerotic Fantasies...the "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Torn on which trigger,mounts and glass. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Your feelings REALLY "matter" to me and I very much enjoy that your Melting Snowflake Routine,is assuredly not an "act"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Pardon reality upsetting you so,as you aspire for a Participation Trophy and Whine in Brokedicktitude. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Keep "living" vicariously,despite it being the only "move" you "have"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Might be a Reupold in the box. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
It is a curious constant,that the only things most can muster first hand,are their Homoerotic Fantasies...the "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Torn on which trigger,mounts and glass. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!................
I'm intrigued by the coloration on those antlers. With the caveat that I'm kind of guessing, because I'm somewhat colorblind, they look almost orange. Is this typical in this locale? From rubbing on a particular vegetation? Just a trick of light. Just curious. Regards, GD
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Neat little deer. I didn't read through the whole thread to see what stupid crap you spouted, but I'm sure there was some. You are, as always, full of [bleep]. GD
I'll feign my GREAT "surprise!",that you greedily read my every word and gawk every Splendid Pixel,as you "live" vicariously. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Your Dumbfhuqktitude rests solely upon your narrow shoulders...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congrtulations?!?
Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
It's cause the pics are so old and recycled so damn many times, even the pixels that weren't so splended turned into decroded piles of crap. Hence the off color hue.
It is VERY "surprising!",that the resident CLUELESS Kchunts,just "happen" to be Lying Pieces Of Fhuqking Schit to boot. What were the "odds"?!? Hint.
Bless your poor poor(literally) hearts,for Lying,Crying,Whining and Trying.
Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!...........
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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