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i have owned i 6PPC and yes it shot excellent and i should have kept that rifle , now i have 6 BR`s , 222 and 22 BR , i even have a 22 mag 40x custom , but i got question . > yes the 6PPC wins plenty at 100-200 yards but after that the 6 BR does much better at 600 yards and 1000 yards why ? PPC's don't have quite enough umph to push the heavy high BC bullets fast enough for long range
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This thread has included some interesting posts and a few gems of insight/info.
When first noting the thread title, a wry smile popped up along with a dose of caution. If "inherent" in this thread carries the most common meaning for the term: " an essential constituent or characteristic", how could any cartridge, in and of itself, meet such a criterion?
Probably why, in addition to the 30:06, so many others were touted. So, which are actually inherently accurate.
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They maybe accurate but there is no such thing as inherently accurate.
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i have owned i 6PPC and yes it shot excellent and i should have kept that rifle , now i have 6 BR`s , 222 and 22 BR , i even have a 22 mag 40x custom , but i got question . > yes the 6PPC wins plenty at 100-200 yards but after that the 6 BR does much better at 600 yards and 1000 yards why ? PPC's don't have quite enough umph to push the heavy high BC bullets fast enough for long range i do question that some yet there are a lot of cartridges with more umph that a 6 BR . so shouldn`t a 6 PPC at least do well at 600 yards ?
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i have owned i 6PPC and yes it shot excellent and i should have kept that rifle , now i have 6 BR`s , 222 and 22 BR , i even have a 22 mag 40x custom , but i got question . > yes the 6PPC wins plenty at 100-200 yards but after that the 6 BR does much better at 600 yards and 1000 yards why ? PPC's don't have quite enough umph to push the heavy high BC bullets fast enough for long range Or, usually, the rifling twist.
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ok that i can believe that about rifle twist , so no one tries a 6 PPC at 600 yards with a different barrel twist ? or is also that fire forming Lapua 220 Russian case to make a 6 PPC is a pain too ?
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They maybe accurate but there is no such thing as inherently accurate. Hmm. Please let us know how you would define "inherently." I have asked a lot of pressure-lab ballisticians whether "inherently" accurate rifle cartridges exist, in powder, bullet and ammunition factories, where everything's shot on indoor ranges. Have been doing this for over 25 years, and so far their answer has always been "yes"--followed by examples. Would love to hear why you don't believe they're wrong.
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i have friends that test ammo all day long for their jobs in a indoor 100 yard tunnel and they say and use the term inherently more accurate when i ask them questions on cartridges they test.
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Still nothing specific, just other people say so without going into details about chambers, reamers, types of bullets, etc.
Hmmm
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What's accuracy?
I bought a 760 because it was $150.
A 30-06.
A gun I disliked, a round I had no use for.
I like 308 and 300WM.
Looking around, I found a partial box of 180gr Pro Hunters.
Looked at the Lee Dipper set and manuals.
H4831 lined up as a choice from the shelf.
Mounted a 3x9x50 Tasco. (The effort involved is embarrassing)
And the M)*^$#@$^*!!!&%#×$%;!!!! shoots just under an inch, 3 shot groups.
Only a few, this rig is not much loved.
The Tasco left its elevation turret loose one year when it needed adjusted, now
there is a vari x 3x9 on it.
Still don't live 760s.
Respect them though.
Do kinda want a gun I like in 30-06. Better send that old 760 to a good home! Let someone appreciate that old 06  Can't it's previous owner was a friend. Gotta bunch of them. That one was Joe's. It hunts on occasion. Another frustrating habit is it never loses zero enough to matter for most of our hunting. I check. Only time I remember needing to adjust was when the turret screwed out of the Tasco.
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Can you link to where aggregates were demonstrably lower across the board with those shooting 22 PPC or 6 PPC during the same time period when the switch happened? Or was it a case of "follow the leader"? I've looked fairly deeply into this subject and cannot find anything to support any real difference. From what I've read, people made the switches looking for easier shooting in the wind. If the .222 were more accurate Short Range BR guys would still be using it. It is always follow the leader. Nobody follows the looser. Same as in every other sport, otherwise people would be still racing formula 1 cars with carburators and bias ply tires. One day maybe the 6PPC will be usurped like the 222 when someone stumbles on another case design that for whatever reason proves to win more in that discipline. There have been thousands of case designes used in short range BR, so far the 6ppc is king.
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Can you link to where aggregates were demonstrably lower across the board with those shooting 22 PPC or 6 PPC during the same time period when the switch happened? Or was it a case of "follow the leader"? I've looked fairly deeply into this subject and cannot find anything to support any real difference. From what I've read, people made the switches looking for easier shooting in the wind. If the .222 were more accurate Short Range BR guys would still be using it. It is always follow the leader. Nobody follows the looser. Same as in every other sport, otherwise people would be still racing cars with carburators and bias ply tires. One day maybe the 6PPC will be usurped like the 222 was when someone stumbles on another case design that for whatever reason proves to win more. There have been thousands of case designes used in BR, so far the 6ppc is the king. Care to share the statistics for this? How much better did the 6mm PPC agg out the gate? Any idea of how much improvement the top shooters improved from the switch? Right now 6.5 PRC wildcats necked to 7mm are gaining steam in F-Open. How much of that has to do with Alex Wheeler toting the merits and YouTube personalities promoting it or are scores demonstrably better?
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Why not just go out and show how it's done then with a 222?
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Seems to me, considering what happens inside a case when the powder ignites, that the shape of the combustion chamber, it's size, etc. could definitely be optimized for consistency. Given that we need these things to chamber and extract, we can't fool with spherical cases or inverted cone shapes or multiple primers, but the short, fat case design providing more consistent combustion and expansion and therefore accuracy makes sense to me. I'm curious if the steep shoulder thing helps with consistent combustion or more precise headspacing?
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Why not just go out and show how it's done then with a 222? It doesn’t have to be a .222 Rem. You can make damn near any cartridge work with good tuning, a good chamber, and good components. You can give the best shooters anything within reason and they will still manage to win. At the end of the day, you cannot provide any empirical evidence one way or the other. There is more to cartridge selection than “inherent accuracy”.
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Seems to me, considering what happens inside a case when the powder ignites, that the shape of the combustion chamber, it's size, etc. could definitely be optimized for consistency. Given that we need these things to chamber and extract, we can't fool with spherical cases or inverted cone shapes or multiple primers, but the short, fat case design providing more consistent combustion and expansion and therefore accuracy makes sense to me. I'm curious if the steep shoulder thing helps with consistent combustion or more precise headspacing? It may help with both--but 30 degrees isn't a really "steep" shoulder. Several factory rifle rounds have shoulder angles of more than 30.
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i do question that some yet there are a lot of cartridges with more umph that a 6 BR . so shouldn`t a 6 PPC at least do well at 600 yards ? People have tried it, it didn't work as well as other cartridges. I don't know what else to tell ya. Build one and go compete with it if you're convinced it's better 
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i do question that some yet there are a lot of cartridges with more umph that a 6 BR . so shouldn`t a 6 PPC at least do well at 600 yards ? People have tried it, it didn't work as well as other cartridges. I don't know what else to tell ya. Build one and go compete with it if you're convinced it's better Then we have to consider fatigue on the shooter. Many don’t shoot magnums because a weekend of recoil is taxing despite the ability to “cheat” the wind before the fatigue sets in.
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Inherent accuracy is an ethereal confluence of heavenly elements that cannot be explained. It is incorruptible. It is spiritual. It is pursued by those of unshakable faith and limitless devotion. The result will be a oneness that no one can attain in this life.
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